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Moogie
06-12-2002, 10:38 AM
Not according to this article by: Physicist S. Fred Singer is emeritus
professor of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia and a
visiting Wesson Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

See the article here: Click (http://www.sepp.org/NewSEPP/Nuclear-Terrorism.htm)

He also gets some shots in at the "Green" movement and the media.

Interesting reading. Let me know what you think.

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Nuclear terrorism: facts and fantasies
S. Fred Singer (in Wash Times April 5, 2002)


Following the attacks of Sept. 11, there has been much concern about further acts of terrorism, with nuclear terrorism heading the list. For some reason, the public seems to be more afraid of radioactivity than poison gas or even biological agents. This in spite of the fact that radioactivity is easy to detect, rarely lethal, and cannot cause epidemics like viruses or bacteria. This fear is being exploited by opponents of nuclear power who keep coming up with a multitude of scary scenarios.

Three general types of nuclear terrorism are much in the news: One is the so-called "dirty" bomb, which does not create but simply disperses radioactive material, packed around conventional explosives. Another concern is release of radioactivity from an aircraft impact or the internal sabotage of an operating nuclear reactor or of storage of highly radioactive spent nuclear fuel. [Green activists, who would love to shut down reactors, assiduously promote this particular fear.] Finally, we have the possible explosion of a nuclear bomb. Of the three, the dirty bomb makes no sense at all; impact or sabotage is extremely unlikely to succeed. Only a real nuclear bomb using fissionable uranium or plutonium poses a serious threat, but even there countermeasures can be taken.

The dirty bomb is mostly hype. A report based on a three-year study by the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements claimed that contamination from such an attack would likely extend to several city blocks and that radiation would be "catastrophic but manageable." However, quite simple considerations show that such a bomb is merely a terror weapon without teeth; it would cause panic but it does not kill. And media stories promote such panic since the public fears anything that's even remotely connected with radioactivity.

To combat panic, we need to understand a little more about radioactivity. We need to know what kind of radioactivity is involved and its lifetime -- how long it lasts before it fades away.

The three kinds of radioactivity, conventionally labeled as alpha, beta and gamma, are quite different from one another and require different countermeasures. Alpha activity is generally innocuous; alpha particles (high-speed nuclei of helium atoms) have a very limited range, at most a few inches in the air, and can be stopped by a sheet of paper or by the skin. Atoms emitting alpha particles are dangerous only if inhaled into the lungs or ingested through food. The standard counter is to avoid eating contaminated food, decontaminate buildings and other spaces, and protect against inhalation by using ordinary facemasks worn against industrial dust and other kinds of pollution.

Beta particles are electrons moving at speeds close to that of light. While they are generally more penetrating than the more massive alphas, they present no problem unless their intensity is so high that the cumulative radiation dose becomes important. Gamma rays are massless and move at the speed of light; they are like x-rays, except more energetic and penetrating. Again, it is the intensity that matters -- compared with the natural background radiation from cosmic rays and the radioactive emissions from earth rocks. Even our bodies are naturally radioactive. The additional radiation dose would have to exceed 100 times that of the normal background before health effects could appear. Remember that every time you fly in the stratosphere you experience radiation levels up to ten times higher than those at the surface.

The lifetime of radiation is also important. We usually talk about "half-life," the time over which the radiation intensity drops by a factor of two. If the half-life is a week, then after one week the level has dropped to 50 percent, after two weeks by a factor of four, to 25 percent, by three weeks by a factor of eight, and so on. Anyone constructing a dirty bomb would choose radioactive nuclei with a half-life of days or weeks. If much shorter, say seconds, the activity would fade away before the bomb is assembled. If the half-life is much longer, say decades or even longer, the level of radioactivity would be extremely low in relation to the total amount of material assembled. But with a half-life measured in hours or longer, one could simply walk out of the contaminated region, preferably heading upwind, before accumulating a harmful dose of radiation.]

A dirty bomb makes no practical sense. To produce significant radioactivity over an area of, say, one square mile, the concentration within a small bomb would have to be roughly 10 million times greater and would quickly kill the terrorists trying to assemble the material. The radioactivity also creates large amounts of heat energy, sufficient to melt most containers. What's more, any such bomb would be easy to detect at long distance if it emits gamma rays. We therefore conclude that a dirty bomb is mostly hype.

Similarly, damaging a nuclear reactor by impact or by sabotage is unrealistic. As compared to the World Trade Center towers, a reactor presents a very small target that is difficult to hit. Furthermore, it is protected by at least three feet of reinforced concrete, which even a large plane is unlikely to penetrate. On top of all that, it is easy to guard against impact with strategically placed steel towers or steel cables that would break up any aircraft. While they may not stop the plane's engines, the fuel will be spilled before the reactor is hit. The same kind of protection can be provided for the nearby storage silos of spent fuel, which is also enclosed with thick concrete.

A ground attack is also unlikely to succeed. Even if terrorists could penetrate the normal security barriers, they would find that the control personnel had shut down the reactor. Turning it off can be done quickly. And even if a meltdown could be produced, the thick concrete containment structure prevents the escape of radioactivity into the environment. Chernobyl had no such containment.

In the extremely unlikely event of a total reactor accident, the consequences are less severe than generally pictured. We have already seen the worst scenario that one can imagine: Even so, Chernobyl killed only some 30 people -- those who were directly involved in putting out the fire. According to the International Atomic Energy Agency, the subsequent health effects have been minor: no increases in leukemia or birth defects; only cases of thyroid cancer that could have been avoided by taking protective potassium-iodide pills. Certainly, more people died from the panicky reaction to Chernobyl, including thousands of abortions by women in Western Europe who feared the consequences from the release of radiation.

We are left then with the only serious threat: nuclear bombs delivered by ships or even suitcases. But constructing and exploding a nuclear bomb is not a job for amateurs. It requires an infrastructure that can only be provided by a government. Even if the bomb is stolen, it must come from the arsenal of a known national government.

The outstanding technical problems are detection of fissile bomb material by remote sensing and establishing the provenance of the bomb for purposes of retaliation. Both are feasible and - I hope - being worked on. By announcing that we have, or are close to, solutions to these two problems we might achieve a measure of deterrence.

In addition, we must have good intelligence and apply vigilance, diplomatic pressure, military threats of retaliation, and even pre-emption. But that's why we elect national leaders and invest in national defense.

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Physicist S. Fred Singer is emeritus professor of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia and a visiting Wesson Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.
singer@sepp.org tel 703/920 2744

FoBoT
06-12-2002, 10:52 AM
good stuff

i hope the people that watched "Atomic Tornadoes" will get the message :rolleyes:

the general public has idea what the differences between radiation and contamination are

xj10bt
06-12-2002, 12:02 PM
A practical weapon, no. A practical terrorist weapon, yes. A firecracker strapped to a tritium movie theater exit sign would be enough to shut down much of a city. People fear what they don't understand.

Moogie
06-12-2002, 06:09 PM
I guess I should have put in the subject line: "Practical Weapon or
Terrorist's Dream?"

The big bugaboo of most of our population (including me!), is this thing
that is odorless, tasteless, quiet invisible thing called "radiation".

What's really sad is that those irresponsible people that have been saying
"ALL power sources that are radioactive in origin are automatically evil,
AND if you try to use facts instead of propaganda you too are evil!"

ColinT
06-14-2002, 06:41 PM
I saw Atomic Twister. As a work of art, it will win no Cable Ace awards, but it COULD happen. Imagine Chernoble in downtown Washington DC, but on a smaller scale.

Havoc

Moogie
06-15-2002, 12:16 PM
OK...seriously, any dirty bomb that can cause serious radiation problems is going to be very difficult for a terrorist to put together. Given the concentration of radioactive materials required to be gathered into one small place, anyone handling it is effectively committing suicide by radiation poisoning (and PDQ at that), unless they have the facilities of a nuclear bomb manufacturing plant.

Alpha_7
06-15-2002, 09:04 PM
I'd hate to say it.... but we all know from experience terriosts are willing to die for their cause, so them "commiting sucide" by playing with highly radioactive material, I would think would be a minor concern, the radiation might not even have time to take affect, if the terriost blows up with the bomb...

Moogie
06-23-2002, 12:25 PM
Right...but the return from the "dirty bomb" would be, at most, heavy contamination of MAYBE a city block. Not hardly worth the trouble, from the terrorist point of view.

muttley
07-06-2002, 06:50 AM
If you can get 'truely' dirty materials (not just bomb, see below) then your contamination would be enhanced and because of devising burning buildings that would loft the material to the winds. Volunteer firemen in some areas turn over a lot cause it is a fad of mauchoism for a 20 year old to get involved. Now as for paid firemen, police, reserve military, etc, a truely 'hot' zone is just going to kill those who you need in the future so the best is clear downwind for 40 miles or less. Also panic is going to cause men to protect and fight, that is survival and the greedy and even goo men to provide protection for theirselfs and families basicly killing themselves and leaving women and childern as the survivors.
As for the other points a true bomb would be great for an airblast cause it would kill the electronics in cars from the EMP/TEMPEST pulse. A true military (missle) bomb is not quite a 'dirty' bomb, it is an explosive/explosion with flash radiation (poof). The point being that the radiation goes up in the baloon blast repercusion from the heat rising and the suck back in of the displased air. What I am getting at is that light stuff floats around the globe and has a half life chance to 'cool' off while heavier particles go downwind 15 to 40 miles which is not much. Now the important part in this deployment you may have 400 square miles of contaminated area however in 2 to 3 weeks with 68 inches of earth and shelter shielding many a particle is going to have expended suficient quantities of their half life that you will be able to do some needed outside activities. There will be the blast point that will be unrecoverable but the subarbs could have life go on however neighbors would kill each other for food etc. You would be able to see the flash of light over the horison and be able to dig a ditch and mound over it if you knew how to block the ends correctly so u could get air filtered properly enough to protect your family. To clarify a military blast would knock out electronics kill your power and so forth but the nice flashing glow on the horison would tell you of the location/direction.
Now a true dirty bomb would be made of stuff with a trach life of 10,000 years half life or a million and be potent. You would not need a fision device for an explosion but like the bomb that timothy McVay or whatever that would work perfect using dirty stuff that is in suspension and if you placed it in buildings and lit up a roaring bondfire you carry it away up in the air from one city across a river to another city and shut down traffic by contamination and insertation into the drinking water and riverways ie how are you going to clean a park/riverbank from radiation with a half life of 10,000 plus years and high enough radiation levels to kill cleanup, firefighters, police, guard etc. As I hope you have noted was high end waste radiation is best the material to steal/aquire.
For a side note a place in canada dropped a fuel rod bundle from a crane transport inside a building and it started to burn nicely for them to put it out they had to pay people to run in and dump sand to extinguish the file. The building is sealed and the people have their radiation limit...

Regards,
muttley

PS do u have you have your thyroid radiation pills??? see you spam mail!!!!!!!!!!!

Moogie
07-06-2002, 01:07 PM
There's two difficult parts to this scenario:

1. Getting your hands on the Really Dirty stuff - things like used reactor fuel, reactor by-products, etc. - the sort of stuff that is both highly radioactive and with a long half-life is guarded well enough to be difficult to get at.

2. Handling the Really Dirty Stuff - one mistake in handling this stuff will kill you fairly quickly, and most unpleasantly.

If you're smart enough and good enough to work through 1 and 2 above, AND you're motivated to be a terrorist, AND you have a team of like individuals (3 or 4) AND you can get the financial backing to pull it off, AND you can maintain security throughout the lengthy time it will take (2 months to 2 years, depending), THEN you MIGHT get away with it. Maybe.