Web Stats Readability

[HandsomeLee]

I suggested this a while ago, but figure it might have gotten lost in the shuffle.

How about adding comma separators to stat numerics (for both web home page and web stats pages)?

[KWSN_Millennium2001Guy]

Which comma convention do you wish to use? American, European? Without commas everybody has to do the same interpretation, with commas you actually alienate other participants.

Just my 2 pence.

Ni!:D

[ColinT]

Europeans use commas in a funny way, and sometimes use periods instead of commas.

Therefore,

I suggest use the American convention because we Americans are nowhere near smart enough to decypher those "Other" conventions.

Or we could just blame Canada.

:bs:

[KWSN_Millennium2001Guy]

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/numbers.html

Europeans don't know what a billion is either!

;)

Ni! :D

[HandsomeLee]

I don't know how complicated you want to get here but you could check the web browser's locale to determine appropriate thousands separators and decimal point characters. I wouldn't, at this point, bother with this.

I would consider supporting other locale's numeric formats if the site were multilingual.

In some places the stats already do include the comma as the thousands separator. I recommend sticking with the comma for now.

-Lee-

[KWSN_Millennium2001Guy]

Originally posted by HandsomeLee

In some places the stats already do include the comma as the thousands separator. I recommend sticking with the comma for now.

-Lee-

I just checked the entire www.distributedfolding.org site. Howard is very consistent in his non-use of commas everywhere that I looked. Could you please direct me to a page of Howard's stats that DOES use commas? I am confused.

Thanks

Ni! :D

[HandsomeLee]

Current total structures generated (and previously target total).

[KWSN_Millennium2001Guy]

Thanks, I missed that one. After my post I also found that Howard sprinkles commas in the numbers where he is writing articles about the project.

Ni! :D

[wirthi]

Originally posted by KWSN_Millennium2001Guy
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/numbers.html

Europeans don't know what a billion is either!

;)

Ni! :D

Hey, that's not true, at least the german speaking Europeans know. But for us, a "Billion" is 1.000.000.000.000 - that's a bit more than your billion (1.000.000.000) :bang:

Greets,
Wirthi

[Starfish]

Originally posted by wirthi


Hey, that's not true, at least the german speaking Europeans know. But for us, a "Billion" is 1.000.000.000.000 - that's a bit more than your billion (1.000.000.000) :bang:

Greets,
Wirthi

This also counts for the Dutch speaking Europeans :)

and about the dots and comma's:

1 million is written as 1.000.000 here

and a price tag for instance will be Eur. 17,45
or 1.000.000,95 if you're buying a linux cluster :jester:

Greetings from Holland :cheers:

Starfish

[HansArne]

Originally posted by Starfish


This also counts for the Dutch speaking Europeans :)

and about the dots and comma's:

1 million is written as 1.000.000 here

and a price tag for instance will be Eur. 17,45
or 1.000.000,95 if you're buying a linux cluster :jester:

Greetings from Holland :cheers:

Starfish

Same thing in Norway
Another thing is the backward dates (03.16.2002 when you mean 16.03.2002):jester:

[Starfish]

Originally posted by HansArne


Same thing in Norway
Another thing is the backward dates (03.16.2002 when you mean 16.03.2002):jester:

yes indeed :)

personally I find it more logically to to write from 'least- to most significant digit' so to say..

dd - mm - yyyy

I also think this is starting to get OT, unless we can get a personalised DF site based on local/regional settings ;)

So if some people like being very busy.. I can always give some suggestions :jester:

lol.

[GOLDENBALLSAINTYORK]

Same in U.K.

1,000,000,000 = 1 Billion..

AS for the dates.... The Americans insist on a strange format...month.day...year:rotfl:

[GOLDENBALLSAINTYORK]

Well ..at least they use GMT...or UCT...not Pacific day time.. Eastern Standard time...et al...:cheers:

[virex]

personally i think yyyy/mm/dd makes the most sense
especially if it's a file name cause you could sort it and it's in the right order....

[Starfish]

Originally posted by virex
personally i think yyyy/mm/dd makes the most sense
especially if it's a file name cause you could sort it and it's in the right order....

That's a logical version as well..

from most to least significant bit :D

[pointwood]

I agree completely with ColinT - Americans are way to stupid to understand anything but their own old wierd way to do things :jester:

Seriously, the Americans uses different "systems" for a lot of "stuff" than most of the rest of the world.

The rest of the world was smart enough to change to better systems a long time ago ;)

Remember - it was some sort "conversion failure" that made that Mars "explorer" fail...

[vaughan]

Bi = 2, hence billion is a million million ie 1,000,000,000,000
Vaughan

[Redshift]

1000^0+1 = 10^3 = thousand
1000^1+1 = 10^6 = million
1000^2+1 = 10^9 = billion
1000^3+1 = 10^12 = trillion
1000^4+1 = 10^15 = quadrillion
1000^5+1 = 10^18 = quintillion
1000^6+1 = 10^21 = sextillion
1000^7+1 = 10^24 = septillion

The U.S. system (derived from French)
tells you to multiply 1000 by the said number of thousands. 'Bi' (2) illion is thus:

1000* 1000^2 = 1,000,000,000

'Tri'(3) illion is thus:

1000*1000^3=1,000,000,000,000


The British/German system tells you
the 'total' number of millions to
multiply to arrive at said number.

Billion = 10^12
Trillion = 10^18
Quadrillion = 10^24
Quintillion = 10^30
Sextillion = 10^36
Septillion = 10^42


-Redshift

[HandsomeLee]

:( :( :o :o :D ;) :p :p :p

Thanks for the all the commas!

-Lee-

[TheOtherZaphod]

Well it looks like this was done yesterday with two significant results:

First, the numbers are much easier on the eyes.
:notworthy
Second, the major stats engines have all gone to heck because their parsing algorithms need a little revamping. :bang:

[FoBoT]

the commas borked the stats?

:haddock:

the guy that asked for the commas gets the trout slap

:spank: and a spanking, working stats without commas is better

[TheOtherZaphod]

I'm guessing that both stats engines use a screen scraper to create a comma-delimited file to fuel their database updates. You can see the results on the zeroth page pretty easily; your total work units shown is the just the part up to the first comma.

...Time to change delimiters...

[IronBits]

I assure you Dyyryath does not use COMMAs for incomming raw data to store them in his database. :p

He generates the COMMA as it should be, after getting the raw data from his DB and inserts the COMMAs on the fly so HUMANS can read it. As it should be...

My simple stats got borked... so I just used a Perl trick to strip all COMMAs first ;)

He hasn't had time to get to it, just like most of the others haven't I guess, especialy seeing that here was NO ADVANCED WARNING that changes were going to be made to the TEXT file that was designed from the get-go, to be used for the 3rd party STATS engines to use.

IF Howard were to remove the COMMAS in this TEXT file, the other STATS engines would once again start working, albeit, to late as the DATA is probably corrupted and will have to be purged. :(
Major suckage in any event. :bs:

[Brian the Fist]

We did not of course intend to mess up the external stats-keepers but I have no way of knowing who is keeping stats or how to get ahold of them. I try to keep changes to the text versions minimal but cannot guarantee they will not change again in some way in the future. Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused, but we will be leaving the commas in place so please go ahead and modify your parsers as necessary to strip the commas.

[TheOtherZaphod]

Overall I like the change, and I am admittedly just guessing about the consequences; but I do stand by my guess. I've spent over two decades in data processing and information technology. and I have certainly seen this one before.

I'm sure that the external stats will be up and running again shortly without any major surgury, just a little tweak here and there.

Howard, if you are interested I'm sure you would find that there are just a few people who account for most of the stats sites in existence, and that they would be happy to be included in future changes.


By the way, is anyone else getting this string of trash when they hit the back button after posting?:

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[tpdooley]

According to Statsman, the team I'm in lost all but 3 members - after stripping out the folks with zero input, and combining accounts with similar names.. (DFolder, DFolder2) we usually have close to 90 left. :)
Something similar happened to FreeDC's report on Statsman.

interesting to see the results of a simple change like this.. ;)

[Cow_tipping]

Thank you for changing the statssystem without a warning in advance while our script maker is gone on holidays. Statsman is down as well so I'm feeling a little bit shaky by the lack of stats at the moment. :scared:
Does anyone have a link to a site which has user-level stats for all teams working yet?? :notworthy thanks in advance!

no I didn't get a scrambled screen after having used the back-button :D

[TheOtherZaphod]

For the moment, the project stats will have to do:

http://www.distributedfolding.org/teampages/teamidx.html

[statsman]

Statsman is fixed now.

[IronBits]

Thank you ! :D
:notworthy

[Auritania]

Originally posted by Brian the Fist
We did not of course intend to mess up the external stats-keepers but I have no way of knowing who is keeping stats or how to get ahold of them.......

You could make it up by providing a unique (and generic) identifier for each user :)

[HandsomeLee]

Instead of (or in addition to) the text file, you could always setup a SOAP service to return stats.

One format for humans, one format for computers.

Just an idea.

-Lee-

[runestar]

TOZ,

The "string of garbage" as you put it is likely due to either the browser or your connection. The garbage usually comes from some kind of binary file such as graphics, archive file, executable that either the transfer got interupted, your system got out of sync with the data stream, or sometimes your browser either doesn't understand how to handle what's being fed to it and instead of asking what to do with the file, it just trys to display it. In the last case, its usually due to a corruption of the browser. Worst case its something with the registry.

If it keeps reoccuring, you might try reinstalling your web browser. In the case of a transfer being interuppted, this tends to happen more often on modem. If you suspect its your line, you might goto DSL Reports and run a test on your line. It'll work for modem and cable as well as DSL.

Cheers,

RuneStar½