We're off and running !!! [Archive]

rsbriggs

11-03-2003, 12:06 PM

Here's the record of our starting point - Sunday 11-01-2003 in the P.M. (EST)

FreeDC Rank: 30034., 0 LL Tests completed, 0 factors found, P90 CPU: 0.000 LL + 0.003 fact. = 0.003 Years total

I grabbed some factoring yesterday, the first result should be in by tonight. Perhaps it will help turn things around when some of those results start hitting. We're slipping only because of the people emerging from the enormous tie-for-last place - this will eventually stabilize and change direction.

http://mersenne.org/cgi-bin/primenet_user.pl?UserID=FreeDC

heretic

11-04-2003, 02:28 PM

Hi,

I have an alternative FAQ, which could use a bit of updating, but most of the Questions and Answers from the 6 first TPR perpetual threads at ars DCA are included.

http://ws9.jobnegotiator.com/html/faqman/index.php

Good luck with your team :D

heretic

Darkness Productions

11-04-2003, 03:42 PM

As of 3:41pm EST, we look like this:

FreeDC Rank: 30055., 0 LL Tests completed, 1 factors found, P90 CPU: 0.000 LL + 0.009 fact. = 0.009 Years total

moving further backwards, at least until some machines return results.

rsbriggs

11-04-2003, 04:29 PM

Heretic,

Thanks! That's a great link and I encourage everyone to take a look - lots of information and pictures of big prime crunchers/pharms. Are you the "job negotiator"? Didn't recognize you behind those Foster Grants. :D

magnav0x

11-04-2003, 05:46 PM

Very nice link! Very informative. Read it guys!

rsbriggs

11-05-2003, 05:38 AM

Hrrmph. STILL Seem to be going backwards. As of Wednesday early A.M. :

FreeDC Rank: 30060., 0 LL Tests completed, 1 factors found, P90 CPU: 0.000 LL + 0.113 fact. = 0.113 Years total

:bang:

edorajh

11-05-2003, 06:40 AM

Glad to see FreeDC GIMPS team. Just join you with my P4 1.8 GHz. I took LL work. Looking forward to track this team's advancement in GIMPS. Exciting to be with you from the start. ;)

/edit/ ermm.. I put in computer ID "work1". I didn't know it will be name I will be recognized with. :bang: Can I change it somehow?

rshepard

11-05-2003, 07:45 AM

Yes- you can edit it under Test==>User Information, and then you can force it to send your new info with Advanced==>Manual Communication and check Send Manual Completion dates...

If the Advanced Menu options are greyed out, enter Pasword==>9876

:cheers: Welcome aboard :cheers:

edorajh

11-05-2003, 07:59 AM

Thanks!

I did it. When it will be updated on stats page?

rshepard

11-05-2003, 08:04 AM

I don't think it should take more than an hour.

edorajh

11-05-2003, 08:08 AM

That's cool! Thanks.

BTW, Although I choose LL test, my Prime95 client now runs P-1 factoring. Is that OK?

wirthi

11-05-2003, 08:12 AM

I'm not 100% sure but IIRC the client has to do some P-1 factoring prior doing the LL test. So I'd say that's ok. Correct me if I'm wrong ...

rshepard

11-05-2003, 08:13 AM

Yes. It runs the P-1 factoring (one or two stages) in an attempt to find a "quick" factor before settling in to run the LL tests. This may take a couple of days, so be patient- the client is spending that time trying to avoid a couple of weeks in the LL testing phase.

edorajh

11-05-2003, 08:19 AM

Thanks for explaining me this. My client just complete 7.27% of stage 1 P-1 factoring. :)

willy1

11-07-2003, 06:11 PM

As of 11PM UTC 07/11/03:

FreeDC Rank: 21544., 1 LL Tests completed, 2 factors found, P90 CPU: 0.678 LL + 1.098 fact. = 1.776 Years total

Moved past 1/3 of the list in one swell foop :rotfl:

:cheers:

willy1

heretic

11-07-2003, 06:24 PM

For stats purposes someone ought to start collecting stats-files, maybe have a talk with the TPR stats guru for some pointer and possible the core of his code.

heretic

BTW: Congratulations on a good start :)

rsbriggs

11-07-2003, 08:09 PM

w00t !!! Up another 3,000 places from the last time some one posted:

FreeDC Rank: 17988., 2 LL Tests completed, 2 factors found, P90 CPU: 1.136 LL + 1.115 fact. = 2.251 Years total

Nothing like moving up 12,000+ places all in one day :)

WTG team !!!!

magnav0x

11-07-2003, 08:26 PM

I can track progress, just depends on what exacly you want to track. If you just want to track rank movement it would be easy enough.

magnav0x

11-07-2003, 09:17 PM

Up almost another 3,000!

FreeDC Rank: 15171., 3 LL Tests completed, 2 factors found, P90 CPU: 1.639 LL + 1.116 fact. = 2.755 Years total

willy1

11-07-2003, 10:03 PM

This is fun :D

FreeDC Rank: 12588., 4 LL Tests completed, 2 factors found, P90 CPU: 2.318 LL + 1.116 fact. = 3.434 Years total

What does the last column mean (see below) ?

Account ID LL P90* Exponents Fact.P90 Exponents P90 CPU
CPU yrs LL Tested CPU yrs* w/ Factor hrs/day
FreeDC 2.318 4 1.116 2 6016.05

If that is converted to CPU years, it's something like .687 CPU years/Day.

It will take a *really* long time to get into the top area of the charts :)

magnav0x

11-07-2003, 10:10 PM

It's a shame that factoring years are not included in the rank :(

garo

11-07-2003, 10:47 PM

Factoring has it's own ranking so there are in effect two projects where you can watch your rank climb. You guys are about 1200 in the factoring ranks right now. The exact number is unavailable as the factoring stats are munged - the next hours update should fix it though.

The fun will start when you get to the top 100 in both categories. Then you guys can watch yourself in the TPR Top Producer stats here:
http://www.teamprimerib.com/rr1/topf100.htm

magnav0x

11-07-2003, 10:57 PM

Sorry, garo, I was actualy referring to the DC Repository rankings for GIMPS. It only uses the LL p90 years to determine ranking. I was checking out those stats at TPR not too long ago though :D

rsbriggs

11-07-2003, 11:05 PM

It will take some time to reach the top 100, if we can. Some of the teams there have been crunching for years.

It will be a good battle just to reach the top 500. But what the heck - a week ago we didn't even have a Free-DC team in Gimps, today we moved half-way up the charts. :thumbs:

That last column is showing what primenet calculates to be our daily production in P90 CPU hours per day.

magnav0x

11-09-2003, 12:12 AM

Way to go guys, we just broke into the top 10,000!

FreeDC Rank: 9746., 7 LL Tests completed, 4 factors found, P90 CPU: 3.911 LL + 1.534 fact. = 5.445 Years total

FoBoT

11-09-2003, 01:45 AM

i emailed the dude and he said he would move my old FoBoT stats to FreeDC , i think

IronBits

11-09-2003, 02:09 AM

w00t! :thumbs: :cheers:

rsbriggs

11-09-2003, 07:15 AM

Hmmm. It appears that what he did was to:

1.) change the team starting date to when you established your account, and
2.) changed the team lead to your name.

There don't seem to be any stats for factoring, or LL testing that got moved over - it seems like all he really did was plug your name in as the team lead :swear: - prolly not really what you had in mind (or DID you? :D)

FoBoT

11-09-2003, 07:05 PM

Originally posted by rsbriggs
- prolly not really what you had in mind (or DID you? :D)

no, this whole gimps thing has really got me confused, i think i will have to go back to stuff i understand :bang:

how come it can't be a simple "Team= XXX" or something? :dunno:

see my other posts in the other thread, i wish i hadn't of messed with all this now :Pokes:

magnav0x

11-09-2003, 07:24 PM

I can't believe he didn't transfer your work with you :(

FoBoT

11-09-2003, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by magnav0x
I can't believe he didn't transfer your work with you :(

i don't even have any idea what work i had, when i go to the primenet site now and do the report on "FoBoT" it shows all zeroes :dunno:

i think this DC project is too advanced for me :cry:

heretic

11-09-2003, 09:24 PM

I am sure it will be fixed :) . Ask George if there are any problems. He is very reseptive to user questions and requests.

Heretic

magnav0x

11-09-2003, 09:48 PM

I don't remember how many you had either, you were ranked 16,??? You had 1.??years in LL.

rsbriggs

11-10-2003, 04:49 PM

Well then, perhaps all of that got rolled in. I thought maybe some tens-or-hundreds-of-CPU-years got lost. I did notice a move from 5.x to 6.x CPU years, but figured it was due to someone returning a result.

At this point we're 7,618th place with 6.023 CPU years in LL, up about 23,000 places in the last couple of weeks :D

Going to throw a couple more Ghz on it.

FoBoT

11-10-2003, 04:56 PM

i am sure it was a tiny amount, i only did a little bit last year before stopping

rshepard

11-10-2003, 05:01 PM

I dropped a note to George this morning to see if I can get my old account rolled over as well. Looks like I had about 5.5 LL-Years accumulated from way back, :D if we can just get them moved.

magnav0x

11-10-2003, 07:02 PM

I dropped a note to George this morning to see if I can get my old account rolled over as well. Looks like I had about 5.5 LL-Years accumulated from way back, if we can just get them moved.

Lets see.........yup.....another 5.5 LL years would put us in the top 5,000 ;)

IronBits

11-10-2003, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by rshepard
I dropped a note to George this morning to see if I can get my old account rolled over as well. Looks like I had about 5.5 LL-Years accumulated from way back, :D if we can just get them moved. :notworthy
That'll be nice ^bump^ :D

magnav0x

11-13-2003, 11:32 AM

Less than two weeks in and we're in the top 5,000 :thumbs:

FreeDC Rank: 4833., 18 LL Tests completed, 5 factors found, P90 CPU: 11.451 LL + 3.209 fact. = 14.66 Years total

rsbriggs

11-13-2003, 12:12 PM

:D Yup - we moved up over 25,000 places in that time. :cheers:
I'm going to quit doing factoring, it doesn't seem to "count" for the repository, or for the team standings.

It looks like the best (fastest addition to the stats) thing to do is double checking.

GOGOGO TEAM :|party|: :notworthy

magnav0x

11-13-2003, 12:32 PM

I'm going to quit doing factoring, it doesn't seem to "count" for the repository, or for the team standings.

You're right, it doesn't :( Is a shame though. Come join the double checking crowd! :cool:

Complex33

11-13-2003, 05:31 PM

PCZ

11-13-2003, 05:46 PM

You guys are having to much Fun
P4's are good right ?

are there any stats for team members ?

rsbriggs

11-13-2003, 05:50 PM

Yep - take a look:

http://mersenne.org/cgi-bin/primenet_report.pl?UserID=FreeDC&UserPW=go-4-it

rsbriggs

11-13-2003, 05:54 PM

If you want any chance at catching Team PrimeRib I would suggest putting all resources on factoring. Just a thought, I'd love to see some action among the big teams. For a LL run, you would need hundreds of P4's to catch up. I'm glad to see FreeDC venturing into this project though. Anything that advances the cause is ok with me. Good luck

Unfortunately, the factoring doesn't count in the team standings, or as part of the DC Repository rankings.

We will never catch PrimeRib, but we ARE in the top 5,000, having moved up 26,000 places in less than two weeks. Now that is just down-right fun! I'm certainly not even thinking about catching TPR, - the big guys have been crunching with way too many boxen for way too many years - but it would be nice to move into the top 1,000 teams.

FoBoT

11-13-2003, 06:10 PM

Originally posted by rsbriggs
Yep - take a look:

http://mersenne.org/cgi-bin/primenet_report.pl?UserID=FreeDC&UserPW=go-4-it

:drums: my name is on there!! yay!

a couple times!

i have no idea what all that means :bonk:

magnav0x

11-13-2003, 06:40 PM

10463371 D 65 NULL 8.0 2.0 62.0 11-Nov-03 08:42 05-Nov-03 22:52 FoBoT 1794 v19/v20

10463371 is the current prime exponent you are working on (10463371 iterations)
D indicates you are running a double check
NULL (3rd field that you have no report for) the third field will show what current iteration of the prime you are on when you manualy report into the server.
65 I'm not sure, possibly the amount of binary bytes the prime is?
8.0 The amount of days you have been running the current prime
2.0 The estimated amount of days remaining until it's finished
62.0 How many days until the prime expires. If you do not finish it within that many days it will be unassigned from you so someone else can get it.
11-Nov-03 08:42 This is the last time you manualy communicated with the server and updated your progress
05-Nov-03 22:52 This is the date you were assigned the prime
FoBoT Your machine ID
1794 Mhz of your machine
v19/v20 Prime95 client version

That's the gist of that stuff at the bottom it shows prime exponents that have been done:

10463351 65 D 0x3D0A825DF99AEB__ 11-Nov-03 06:54 FoBoT

10463351 The prime exponent you submitted (10463351 iterations)
65 Again, not sure but I think it's the total bytes of the prime exponent
D Indicates it was a double check
0x3D0A825DF99AEB__ This is the Lucas-Lehmer residue or factor (don't ask?)
11-Nov-03 06:54 Date the prime exponent was completed
FoBoT Machine ID that completed it

rshepard

11-13-2003, 06:49 PM

65 is the exponent the WU was trial factored to prior to you receiving it; in this case 2^65.
Note that this number can be run up significantly during the P-1 phase-- I believe NiNeball caught a factor at 2^84 :shocked:

Beyond

11-13-2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by rsbriggs
Unfortunately, the factoring doesn't count in the team standings, or as part of the DC Repository rankings.

However, being #432 in Trial Factoring and climbing is not a bad thing.

rsbriggs

11-13-2003, 07:13 PM

Cool!

Erm, where does that stat live ??

rshepard

11-13-2003, 07:17 PM

here:
http://mersenne.org/primenet/ftop101to500.txt
and also on the TPR stats as soon as they update

magnav0x

11-13-2003, 07:31 PM

http://www.teamprimerib.com/rr1/topf500.htm

I don't see our team in there, but taking a look at our factoring years, we should be right around that rank

rshepard

11-13-2003, 07:35 PM

Looking good--
George got my old years moved (thanks George!) and rsbriggs locked in the first "from scratch" LL-test :notworthy
Top 3500 now, with a number of folks poised to return results heading into the weekend.
:bouncy: :bouncy:

rsbriggs

11-13-2003, 07:53 PM

Absolutely amazing performance for an 11 day old team in an old, popular project like this where the top crunchers literally run hundreds of computers !!!

:cheers: :thumbs:

ECL

11-13-2003, 09:29 PM

Is this a lost sheep or an amazing coincidence of naming?

197. NiNeball9 4.726 13 13.354 10 481.41

(from http://mersenne.org/primenet/ftop101to500.txt)

FoBoT

11-13-2003, 09:40 PM

thanks magnav0x
i mostly understood that :|punch|:

rock on! :drums:

magnav0x

11-13-2003, 10:33 PM

Now ranked @ 3149. Not sure if you guys noticed, but I notice our GIMPS activity ever so slightly eats away at the ARS local work percentage for GIMPS each time the DC Repository updates :D We may never be able to catch em, but that's just about as fun for me :cool:

Complex33

11-14-2003, 12:50 AM

Actually the 65 indicates that the DC was factored to 2^64 bits. The extra bit indicates that P-1 factoring has been performed on the exponent (This is also the last number on each line in the worktodo.ini either a 1 indicating P-1 has been done, or a 0 P-1 has not been done). Due to P-1's nature (memory usage, bounds, the math, etc.) there is no exact bit level that the stage factors to. Have a look here (http://www.mersenne.org/math.htm) to see what the hard coded factoring depths are for exponent ranges. Also a good intro on the math involved.

As to the 62 days to expiration, the exponent will only expire in 62 days if there is no communication from the client. In this case, due to the server's 60 day expiration limit, you can surmise that the client should communicate with the server in 2 days and at the point of re-communication the exponent will have 60 + "Days between sending new end dates" till the exponent expires. I would suggest setting Options | Preferences | Days between sending new end dates: to 1 so that you can see progress of your machines on a daily basis and also give you a heads up on any computers that may have run amuck.