I dont think I want to be involved in DC anymore.

[PCZ]

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=39&threadid=1469985&enter

[Bok]

Agreed. If they get him to 2nd, well he isn't second in my eyes as HE didn't do it..
Fine if you want to do Team_Silverthorne, but otherwise it's just plain pathetic

Bok

[PY 222]

LOL.

This person, Silverthorne needs the whole team to help him get second. How sad is that? :rolleyes:

Anyway, no bigge. Nobody will recognize that he took second all by himself. So PCZ, don't fret over this. Its not even worth a mention.

Lets roll with our regular broadcasting.

[Nexus]

This from Anandtech's forum:

"Thanks everyone for helping me to reach #2. Now lets just hope that Free-dc does'nt do the same for Condor_fdc."

Of course not. We don't cheat.

Don't let it get to you PCZ, most DCers do the right thing. It's just a few morons who getr into the thing for all the wrong reasons that pull slimy stunts like this.

[Dyyryath]

I think it's neat that his friends want to help him out. It is, however, unfair for an individual to rely on others to position themselves higher in an individual ranking...

However, I wouldn't worry to much about it. This isn't the first time we've seen this. Stats are an awfully large part of why I'm into DC, but for some reason, things like this just don't bother me too much. I know where I stand, and believe me, EVERYONE knows where producers like PCZ stand. :D

No team as an individual (no matter how well meaning) is going to change that. ;)

[em99010pepe]

I don't care what you all think but I am willing to help Condor.

Carlos

[Nexus]

Look, as much as that would be a good gesture I don't approve of a DCer taking credit for someone else's work. It's too much like cheating.

[Moogie]

I agree it is pretty pathetic. Everyone knows he didn't get there himself so what kind of victory is that? :(

[IronBits]

I wouldn't bother with it myself...

If it takes a 'team' to boost an 'individual', then it's still a Team.

News Flash!
Condor takes on whole team and wins! :D
:rotfl:

[IronBits]

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=39&threadid=1469985&STARTPAGE=3&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
I :Pokes: them :bonk:

[Insidious]

If that post count at AT stays at 1 for you Ironbits, it would be a nice Christmas present.

Happy Holidays all

-Sid

:cry:

What a bunch of hypocrites! You can "borrow" computers from the workplace to make your "farms", but want to say friends working together is wrong.... PULEEEESE

[Bok]

There is a difference between though. If you are using corporate PC's at least you are doing the work of installing and running the clients yourself..

Bok

[Insidious]

I am confident anyone working with Silverthorne has installed the clients themselves...



NEXT ???????

[Bok]

I don't think you understand what I said.

In a corporate situation, the single individual getting credit for the results has installed and run the clients.

In the current TA situation, that is not the case.

Bok

[Insidious]

I really do understand the perspective you are offering, but I just don't agree with it.

You know as well as I do that FreeDC has lots of "mini-teams" in lots of DC projects.

It is my belief that all these sour grapes are utterly hypocritical because I have been able to find ZERO threads in this fourm chastizing your own mini-teams.

-Sid

[PCZ]

What you wont find at Free-DC is someone prepending to be an individual whilst infact having a mini team crunching for them.

If a sub team is formed it is obvious by the name.

Silvercheat is an individual desperate enough to get 2nd place to have his team mates score points for him.

[Bok]

sigh...

There are a few mini-teams around here (in fact only 2 that I know of, but there could be more), but they are clearly stated as teams in their names.

Switch Silverthorne to Team_Silverthorne in that case.

sour grapes? I'm personally not bothered if you get him to #2, I'm more just a stickler for etiquette, which in my view this is breaking. I can voice my opinion, I don't expect you to agree and you have the right not to.

Bok

[Insidious]

Bok

Fair enough :cheers:

I'll take my leave and offer up my best wishes for your holidays and an open invitation to say hello if you happen to pass by the AT neck of the woods.



-Sid

[amdxborg]

OK I'm gonna say this once!

Silverthorne didn't ask to be helped, some TeAmMates jumped in to help and I orginized some more without him knowing.

Calling Silverthorne a cheater for recieving help is a load of crap! You guys really are a sour bunch of dc'ers!

Like I said on the AT forums, It's like they say, Jealousy makes you nasty... So I completely understand, not being part of a TeAm like ours can be a b!tch!

Cheers :cheers: [edit] lets rather have a beer!

[Bok]

Keep it civil please amdxborg. Point taken that Silverthorne didn't ask for it. I'll hold him/her in regards. [EDIT] well not anymore..

Bok

[Moogie]

Originally posted by amdxborg
OK I'm gonna say this once!

Silverthorne didn't ask to be helped, some TeAmMates jumped in to help and I orginized some more withing him knowing.

Calling Silverthorne a cheater for recieving help is a load of crap! You guys really are a sour bunch of dc'ers!

Like I said on the AT forums, It's like they say, Jealousy makes you nasty... So I completely understand, not being part of a TeAm like ours can be a b!tch!

Cheers :moon:

Let's not get too worked up about this here and start the whole name calling business. This is supposed to be fun, plus a way to help a good cause. People are allowed their own opinions, and have the right to voice them. We don't have to all agree.

That's why we have different teams. To each his own.

Cheers...now get back to having fun!


:cheers:

[willy1]

I don't get the whole "he deserves to be in second place" thing they keep harping on over there.

Last time I checked, there was no entitlement in DC.

[magnav0x]

Second place is just a nice term for the first loser any how ;)

I also don't see how someone can "deserve" 2nd place. If they couldn't get it on their own, obviously they didn't deserve it. 3rd isn't bad.

[Fozzie]

Lifemapper is finishing and as with all DC projects I've seen there is a load of silliness that goes on when the stats whores gnash their teeth over where they think they should be.

The project is done the end point has been reached and the data has been investigated. Great work EVERYONE.

Looking at the posting on the TA site I am sure Condor has the firepower to slam dunk them anyway.

TBH I think he has more interesting things to do over at FAH.

So lets have a beer and chill for the festive season, you know the one goodwill to all men (and women sorry Moogie) even if you don't agree with their actions.

:cheers:

[Silverthorne]

Originally posted by PCZ
What you wont find at Free-DC is someone prepending to be an individual whilst infact having a mini team crunching for them.

If a sub team is formed it is obvious by the name.

Silvercheat is an individual desperate enough to get 2nd place to have his team mates score points for him.

Well this is where I totally lose respect for someone when they have to stoop so low as to start calling names, isn't that what children do? I'm not even deperate enough to get into second place and with enough time I know I could have done it.



Originally posted by Bok
There is a difference between though. If you are using corporate PC's at least you are doing the work of installing and running the clients yourself..

It also just so happens that all work units prior to Amdxborg's idea were crunched on computers (http://webpages.charter.net/silverthorne/computers.JPG) located in my house not on some corporate computers in some office. I actually pay for this electricity, I don't let someone elso pay for it.


It really is rather sad how all of you have reacted and does not say much about you as a team.

[Bok]

Originally posted by Silverthorne

It also just so happens that all work units prior to Amdxborg's idea were crunched on computers (http://webpages.charter.net/silverthorne/computers.JPG) located in my house not on some corporate computers in some office. I actually pay for this electricity, I don't let someone elso pay for it.


Re-read the thread again. I never said you used corporate crunchers, it was used as an analogy.



It really is rather sad how all of you have reacted and does not say much about you as a team. [/B]

Aren't you practicing what you preach right now ?

I believe the reactions on the TA forums to be a lot more heated than those here....

Bok

[em99010pepe]

I really don't understand FreeDC position.

I always had people helping me at DPAD, D2OL, TSC and SOB. People/friends running DC projects under my nick not under FreeDC_AMD_Team. I don't see the problem there.


Carlos

[willy1]

I think there is a big difference between having a couple of friends add their cycles to your account if they aren't interested enough in DC to have their own account, or be affiliated with a team, and what is going on over at AnandTech.

They are running a concerted, publicized, coordinated effort to artificially drive up the the personal account of a member that they think somehow deserves to be placed higher in the individual stats than he has earned, thereby cheapening the efforts of those who earned their placements themselves.

If Silverthorne is not that desperate to get 2nd place
I'm not even deperate enough to get into second place ... then he should ask his teammates to stop contributing to his account.

If they were in it for science, it wouldn't make any difference where the numbers were. This is blatant stats manipulation.

mmm - maybe I should move 60 or 70 GHz over to Condor_fdc for the rest of the month..... nah.

[PCZ]

Silverthorne

Do you think you are the only one who has a large home farm.
I too pay for my own computers and the electricity to run them.

Condor had his PC's on other projects and was idle in LM.
Most folks quit crunching LM when LM admin quit and the project died.
The end of the project has just been announced and it is very likely that Condor
would have shifted enough boxes back to LM to hold you off anyway.

And dont assume that the members of Free-DC are all corporate crunchers, lots of us are home pharmers who spend a large amount of our disposable income on this hobby.

PS
em99010pepe
What you dont seem to grasp is that we have a sense of fair play at Free-DC.
Another word for it is Honour

[Insidious]

I guess that explains why you are so upset about some competition.

Get over it !!!

If you don't like the idea of Silverthorne moving to 2nd place then put your computers where your mouth is.

and remember

SMILE when you crunch that WU buster :D

[amdxborg]

lol OK can we plz just drop all this cause it's going nowhere. People are getting upset and saing stuff that's not necessary. Lets do what we all do best... CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH!

Thanx and Cheers! :thumbs:

[PCZ]

Insidious

I am not jealous of Silverthorne.
He is a home pharmer like myself and had he taken on and beaten Condor with his own resources I would have had respect for him.

By accepting help from his team mates he has dishonoured himself.

[IronBits]

That's not a bad idea PCZ...
Set the client up to cache max WUs, fire up all available boxen and bring the server down. :rotfl:

On second thought...
The project is done doing anything useful, no sense wasting crunch time on it. :trash:

[PCZ]

IB

Naughty thoughts :spank:

[Evilmoose]

From flyted on the anandtech forum

Is all this extra cpu power even going to help anything productive at LM? They had a difficult time enough the way it is processing wu's, and now all this. I'd be glad to join in and support TA and silerthorne, but would like to know that LM hasn't already stopped using our data. Reasonable question?

I couldnt agree more.

This is getting ugly:bs:

[PCZ]

Evilmoose
I agree enough has been said already.

Anyone fancy a Christmas gauntlet ?
10 days any project.

[willy1]

Originally posted by IronBits
That's not a bad idea PCZ...
Set the client up to cache max WUs, fire up all available boxen and bring the server down. :rotfl:


:crazy: Maybe we can siphon off all the remaining work :jester:

[IronBits]

Originally posted by PCZ
Evilmoose
I agree enough has been said already.

Anyone fancy a Christmas gauntlet ?
10 days any project. How about FAD or SOB ? :D

[Bok]

We could make some ground in FAD :)

And give Foz a good christmas present while we're at it !!

I could :Pokes: mAg to get his FAD stats running and I'd pull the data from them into mine (allteams/allusers).

Bok

[PCZ]

FAD it is then.

Start a new thread I think this one should be closed.

[danzigrules]

I am kinda confused on this. People calling other people stats whores and such, complaining about TA boosting someone up a spot. Would this complaining and fighting have even started if the person that would lose #2 spot was not a Free-DC member? I think that it wouldn't have, just my two cents, so please don't flame me :D

Free-DC has always seemed like a nice group of people that dun start flame wars, at least that I can remember. So can we just let teams do the things that they want to and not start fights?

Thanks

danzig

[Bok]

At current count.

1 post by a Free-DC member on the TA forums regarding this.

9 posts by TA on this forum regarding this topic.

:rolleyes:

Bok

[danzigrules]

well I was late, and just trying to stop some fighting :smoking:

and you all type way to fast for, think there was 3 replies before i even got to post my reply after reading all this :\


and Bok and Mag thanks a ton for the chessbrain stats :D

[Moogie]

No, wait..FAD is a BAD idea. Come on people...I finally got up into the low 20's. :) Go to some other project won't you...or send me some more puters. :)

FAD = BAD idea. :D

[PCZ]

Moogie

I am sure that we could all crunch in your name.
That way you could get to No1 quicker.

So post your FAD email and we can get started :jester:

[IronBits]

:bang: :bonk: :rotfl:

[Nexus]

While I accept that Team Anandtech think they are doing the right thing by helping Silverthorne get 2nd place, I do not agree that taking credit for other people's work is good practice. It's shifty and dishonest in my book. As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather come third with honour than 2nd on the back of other people's work.

Does nobody at TA see that pouring out all that crunching power on a dead project simply for the sake of stats-whoring is not in the spirit of DC?

Sorry, but my regard for TA has just plummeted badly.

[Helix_Von_Smelix]

FAD it is then:D

[Fozzie]

Love you guys, we could hit 11th or 10th if we hit it hard before te year end.

Anandtech aren't too far away either :cool:

[alpha]

Originally posted by IronBits
The project is done doing anything useful, no sense wasting crunch time on it. :trash:

Actually, I was under the understanding that the work the project is handing out IS useful.

The reason for the project ending is simply that the data isn't coming from the museums fast enough. Also, I thought I read that the LM team are going to continue the project on their own cluster(s). It just won't be public anymore.

I wouldn't say that the project isn't doing anything useful, but anyone feel free to correct me if I'm talking poop. :)

[Darkness Productions]

Don't want to keep this debate going, but if Silverthorne and his crew want to catch Condor, they're gonna have to do better than that....

http://lm.stats.dp.cx/users/conquests.php?UserID=4058&ThreatCol=24H&limit=5&TeamID=-1

The above suggests that even at current daily production, it'll be the 27th when the overtake happens. Wonder what the numbers will suggest once Condor has had a full day of production on all his machines?

[Dyyryath]

I've read the posts both here and at AnandTech and to be honest, with the exception of a few posts that weren't written quite as tactfully as they could have been, this has just been a pretty mild disagreement over whether or not someone should accept 'help' from their teammates to position themselves higher in the individual stats. I wouldn't consider this a 'flame war' by any stretch of the imagination.

Considering how ugly some of these disagreements have gotten between teams in the past, I'm actually pretty proud of both AnandTech and Free-DC. There have been some cool heads on both sides. Bok and danzigrules come immediately to mind.

Just for the record, here's what I think:

Silverthorne apparently didn't ask for help, his teammates were just feeling magnanimous. While I do think this unfairly skews the individual stats some, they're not doing it 'on the sly' or trying to convince anyone that it's just Silverthorne's work. Since we know that it's a 'mini-team' instead of an individual, does it really matter?

It's been pointed out that we often use 'mini-teams' ourselves. The rebuttal is that we name ours accordingly. So what this comes down to is just the naming of the account? Seems like a pretty minor thing to get worked up over.

Either way, I've seen things like this turn into REALLY ugly spats between teams in the past. Given how loyal the members of each side have proven to be to their respective teammates (Silverthorne and Condor), I'd say this was (with a few exceptions on BOTH sides) a pretty good example of two teams having a civil disagreement.

In the end, let's try to keep in mind that Free-DC is first and foremost about having fun and doing *whatever* you want with your accounts. If Team Anandtech wants to put every single cruncher under one account, what does it really hurt? We know it's a team and they know it's a team, so if they're having a good time and crunching lots of work units, more power to them. It certainly doesn't diminish Condor's personal contributions in any way...

<b>Team Loyalty Section:</b> Besides, if they get him riled up, I'm not sure they can take big daddy Condor anyway! :D

[Fozzie]

you have a pretty level head on ya.

Well said and probably nuff said too.

[PCZ]

Go Condor

:drums: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :drums:

[Insidious]

edit: I stand corrected

[PCZ]

Insidious
Whether intentional or not the quote you posted seems to imply that Free-DC and TA are somehow involved in a race.

Free-DC team members are not crunching for Condor, this fact must be made absolutely clear.

We are busy working on live projects.

[Insidious]

my bad...

back to our lives

[Helix_Von_Smelix]

i wish people would not delete a reply. edit spelling okay, but it's nice to see whats said.

[Insidious]

sorry 'bout that. was trying not to stir any adverse emotions

(I was saying that it was cool that condor had brought his crunchers back on line and offered my opinion that it was so much better than arguing about who was second....... I totally understood PCZs take when he read it and I was embarrassed I wrote a post that could be taken as negative)

-Sid

[Helix_Von_Smelix]

:cheers: