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    LHC@Home 1.0 + vLHCathome = LHC@Home

    Them at CERN have decided to bring all CERN-related projects under one umbrella (finally, suggested that ages ago to them)
    They started by importing the scores from vLHCathome into the LHC@Home 1.0 database and renamed the project LHC@Home (and changed the URL form the old http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/ into http://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/)

    But in my stats I still have both LHC@Home 1.0 with it's old score AND vLHCathome, with that same score (but not my vLHCathome score)


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    I'm aware of their migration, but I'm not going to do anything till they have resolved everything on their side.

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    But i now have two times 394.775 as points, while it was 394.775 and 259.262


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    It's not the end of the world to leave this for a few days until they finish their migration....

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    I hope they will have decent sub-project scores (they have the setup) and badges to go by
    (speaking of which, my signature -and yours too, Bok- falls from the forum page!)


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    But they aren't doing the credit_by_app correctly - see https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/...8&postid=28996

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    added a dynamic image resize app into vbulletin. Not the best way as I would prefer it resized based on pagesize like I do on stats6, but all I could find. it's set to a max width of 1200.

    I hadn't really noticed much of an issue given I run 2 4k 28" monitors at 3840x2160 each
    Last edited by Bok; 03-02-2017 at 11:40 AM.

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    Today ATLAS went over to vLHCathome. The old ATLAS project has become a subproject of vLHCathome so the points now appear twice in the stats.
    vLHCathome is still in the FreeDC stats under its old name, LHC@Home 1.0


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Broer View Post
    Today ATLAS went over to LHCathome. The old ATLAS project has become a subproject of LHCathome so the points now appear twice in the stats.
    LHCathome is still in the FreeDC stats under its old name, LHC@Home 1.0
    Note that LHCathome also uses a different url (https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/) than LHC@Home 1.0, despite rapporting the same score.
    Only at the new url you can set your preferences for all the sub-projects.
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 05-02-2017 at 04:45 AM.


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    are they finished with migration now ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bok View Post
    are they finished with migration now ?
    I only wish I knew whether LHCathome-dev will be migrated too, or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Broer View Post
    Today ATLAS went over to LHCathome. The old ATLAS project has become a subproject of LHCathome so the points now appear twice in the stats.
    LHCathome is still in the FreeDC stats under its old name, LHC@Home 1.0
    The credit for ATLAS is still counting for the BOINC combined score, despite the facts that ATLAS -complete with all credits- was incorporated into LHCathome some time ago.


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    It looks like LHC@Home is ready, and LHCathome-dev too.

    Both have a page where you can look for the score per participant per application
    https://lhcathomedev.cern.ch/lhcatho...r_app_list.php
    https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/per_app_list.php
    Both issue ATLAS badges (the same badges unfortunately, but you'll likely not have the same badge for both projects)

    But there may be hope: Statistics export by project
    Sorry, the statistics export works fine with the default mechanism. I.e. files: https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/stats/user.gz host.gz etc are exported to the statistics sites like BOINCstats.

    Our site also exports the app-specific credit in user_work.gz and team_work.gz as described on the page: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/XmlStats

    This is the default BOINC server behaviour, that should be exploitable by statistics sites.

    Otherwise you can find application-specific statistics on the page:

    https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/stats.php

    Could the issue on some statistics sites be due to the fact that we now use SSL?

    It also might be that the other projects you refer to have customized server code, or are on their own branches of the server code with a different behaviour, but as far as we can see, the LHC@home statistics export works like it should.
    Me: Have you ever checked the content of those files? There's no data in them -as Bok already mentioned three months ago.

    The user and host files are ok, user_work has only user ids now, that is correct. Looks like a bug in the BOINC server code that should generate the statistics file.
    We will investigate and see if this can be fixed at a future release and upgrade. Meanwhile, please refer to the regular statistics as well as the page on our site.
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 06-10-2017 at 04:53 PM.


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    so, do I remove the LHC@Home 1.0 stats, remove Beauty@Home, remove Atlas stats

    and add a new one for new LHC

    ?? I'm getting confused.

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    so, do I remove the LHC@Home 1.0 stats, remove Beauty@Home, remove Atlas stats

    and add a new one for new LHC

    ?? I'm getting confused.

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    Or you add Beauty and Atlas to LHC@Home 1.0 and rename that to LHC@Home. Whatever the action: the result has eight subprojects that are now known as :
    Alice
    Atlas
    Benchmark
    CMS
    LHCB
    Theory
    Sixtrack
    Sixtracktest

    And, if all is well, all scores/badges -ATLAS only- are already at the new url. They even know now the file that should have the subproject information is empty. So deleting the old ones seems logical. I'd say: store it somewhere.

    P.S. the dev project has seven of those subprojects at https://lhcathomedev.cern.ch/lhcathome-dev/ is the user_work there empty as well?
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 06-17-2017 at 03:21 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bok View Post
    so, do I remove the LHC@Home 1.0 stats, remove Beauty@Home, remove Atlas stats

    and add a new one for new LHC

    ?? I'm getting confused.
    Yes, and hope that soon they have their exports stats on the rails...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bok View Post
    But they aren't doing the credit_by_app correctly - see https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/...8&postid=28996
    They are doing something good now, user.gz is pretty big and has content.
    For me personally it is:

    <user>
    <id>17128</id>
    <name>Dirk Broer</name>
    <country>British Virgin Islands</country>
    <create_time>1127242795</create_time>
    <total_credit>761165.139450</total_credit>
    <expavg_credit>118.682500</expavg_credit>
    <expavg_time>1502441101.594450</expavg_time>
    <cpid>76d20230028d9ceee3a1aa52fcf14dd4</cpid>
    <teamid>78</teamid>
    </user>

    Unfortunately user_work.gz still has for me:
    <user>
    <id>17128</id>
    </user>
    Last edited by Dirk Broer; 08-14-2017 at 09:05 PM.


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