removal of Free-DC from DC-Vault

[Bok]

Just a quick poll to see who cares about it.

Personally I dislike the very idea of it as I've posted about a number of times. IMO all it does is encourage people to crunch small worthless projects.

I don't know whether they would actually remove Free-DC from it anyway, but I would like others opinions.

Bok

[jasong]

In my opinion, it's just another way to compete.

And I'd like to add(I'm specifically thinking of the math projects, although others could apply): One's man's waste of time could be another man's obsession.

[rshepard]

I gotta agree w/ jasong. It's just another metric for measuring overall team performance - perhaps not the best, but then the original DCR formulas were always debatable as well. I don't use it as a guideline for what I choose to run, unless I'm bored with what I'm running and don't have a new project in mind; in which case I might look at it as a guide to where I might want to throw some machines. I can't see it ever becoming important enough that teams use it as the be-all. end-all for allocating team resources though. Just my .02 cents worth...

[LAURENU2]

Yes there are way to many new startup projects that have vary little benefit to mankind.
As for the removal I wouldn't mind either way.
But let me ask you is there a better way to protest or boycott the waste of time projects other then the removal of Free-DC from DC-Vault ?

Perhaps a thread here or a .com address forum to talk about it.:Pokes:
:idea:Or even starting forum threads on other teams forums to get the word out?

[Paratima]

Huh? :coffee: Is there a problem?

[wirthi]

... encourage people to crunch small worthless projects.
Sorry Bok that I have to say this, but I don't like this sentence, in no way. Why do you want to judge what (big?) projects are worth invest time in? I thought that's the "free" in Free-DC, to be free to decide what to crunch?

[Bok]

It's always free, but my opinion also counts as does everyone elses. I do not speak for Free-DC, only for myself.

[wirthi]

Sorry if i expressed myself wrongly. Your opinion of course counts, yours especially. I just don't like the idea that "Free-DC" (whoever that may be) decides what projects are worth and what not. That should be the free decision of the members. And thus I oppose any measures that make me feel like "my" project is worthless. (apart from that I don't care about the DC-Vault, have not been there in a year).

[jasong]

I read this:

Sorry Bok that I have to say this, but I don't like this sentence, in no way. Why do you want to judge what (big?) projects are worth invest time in? I thought that's the "free" in Free-DC, to be free to decide what to crunch?
And then I read this:

It's always free, but my opinion also counts as does everyone elses. I do not speak for Free-DC, only for myself.
And then I read the first post, which was posted by Bok.

Now I'm wondering why Bok made the above post after he started this thread. Sounds to me like he's trying to start some sort of movement to get a vote. The bad thing about voting is that only slightly more than half the people, who happen to vote(what about the lurkers?), need to agree to remove it.

I think people should be able to decide on t heir own.

In my view, Bok, you should treat the Vault the way I treat the American Communist party(whatever it's actual name is). I don't like it, but I don't intend to interfere with it since people have the right to do what they want.

[Bok]

There is no one person who is Free-DC, we are a community, nobody will ever force you to run something or force you not to run something.

I really am just asking this question of myself. The issue is causing me to look into whether I wish to continue running or be involved in DC in general, I wish to gauge others opinions in the matter.

I should have even added in the original post, that the outcome of the poll does not necessarily mean I or anyone else would even request we be removed.

Bok

[em99010pepe]

Should teams crunch for the goal of the project or for the stats?

Carlos

[Mustard]

Should teams crunch for the goal of the project or for the stats?

Carlos

ahhh Carlos..... :) This was the big question with the original DCR stuff.

Personally I wasn't in favor of it then, nor now. In surfing around various teams sites though I do see some teams that use it as a measuring stick. Not that it actually has any bearing one way or another for anyone or any team.

Like Bok though, I personally am not a fan of the DC-Vault stuff as there have been instances of people bugging others to crunch something for the DC-Vault standing.

As to the validity of individual projects, I'm a believer in people crunching whatever they want. What might be a valid project to one person may not be to another. Everyone has their own likes/dislikes. :)

[CaptainMooseInc]

I figure those who want it bad enough will make it to favor them in the best ways possible and for the hardcore stats whores.

In 100 years though, no one is going to look back and be like "Wow! That PY 222 guy was the #1 overall in Majestic-12 and #(insert number) in the overall DCr rankings!"

So yeah, let them have their fun. DC because you want to, not because you feel the need to compete (unless you do it for that reason).

-Jeff

[LAURENU2]

In 100 years though, no one is going to look back and be like "Wow! That PY 222 guy was the #1 overall in Majestic-12 and #(insert number) in the overall DCr rankings!"

Well that did it Im Quiting DC'ing
:rotfl: Or not:rotfl:

[Jkusuda]

Hey guys,

Just my 2 cents as well. Like everything else in life there are always going to be a certain amount of people that do their best to taint or corrupt something. It's up to everyone else to remain true to the real task at hand.

Take DC for example. We all contribute our spare cycles to projects that we find personally important. To keep ourselves motivated in this quest, some people need other measures whether it be stats, team affiliation, or overall team rankings such as the DCR and DC-Vault. Do people's motivations get influenced by these external measures? Most definitely that would be a yes! I myself use it as something to look at and take pride in my contribution to the various projects I've crunched on. Overall though, I think the use of the stats benefits all the DC projects because it creates more interest and awareness. The use of a competitive element also pushes people into building farms and exploring projects they might otherwise never have looked into.

I personally have been crunching since Seti@home was the only project. I take pleasure in watching the proliferation of all the new projects because it means that someone took note of the amount of work being completed by Seti and all the other "new" projects and wanted to join in.

Sorry for ranting for so long.

:cheers:

[jasong]

There is no one person who is Free-DC, we are a community, nobody will ever force you to run something or force you not to run something.

I really am just asking this question of myself. The issue is causing me to look into whether I wish to continue running or be involved in DC in general, I wish to gauge others opinions in the matter.

I should have even added in the original post, that the outcome of the poll does not necessarily mean I or anyone else would even request we be removed.

Bok
:thumbs:

[riptide]

Well that did it Im Quiting DC'ing
:rotfl: Or not:rotfl:
But in 100 years time they'll say.... 'I wonder how the hell that darn annoying "little old plumber" dude is getting on... :thumbs:

EDIT: Anyways... people who do DC do it for a myriad of reasons. I do Rosetta cos I believe its the right one to do to help with cures for cancer and others. My primary motivation is a lot of people I know have passed away with cacer and the likes and its also in my genes. Stats on that project are a passing interest and serve a lot of debate and fun on our forum (XS). The stats form a secondary motivation for me. In

Majestic (when I had the DSL) was I think purely a stats occuption coupled with curiosity about the client and its operation. Tweaking settings etc had been a little pass time and I have help others out with results.

Dimes (again when I had DSL) piqued my interest as I had thought about the topogrophy of the internet long before I ever heard of dimes. I'd like to see where it all ends up on this and see some reports.... Stats on this are important because they reflect just how well my router/connection and any setting I make regarding hardware ram usage etc work out. So it emcompasses lots of things.

17 or bust... I like maths and numerology. Having a job where I look at stats and numbers everyday... I find it interesting.... and the stats matter to me too, especially as I have a Netburst chip... I have found its perfect use when conroe overtakes it for everything else. Again this project has piqued my curiosity.

So you see people motivations are many and varied... and I believe motivations can be different in each of the DC projects one partakes in. Motivations about competition and stats can be weighted differently for each project.

[Dyyryath]

I don't think it's a bad thing, but then I've never even looked at it. I guess that's the point, though. Pay attention to it or not, as you please.

I'm of the opinion that if even one person at Free-DC finds it interesting, then it's worth being involved in since those of us who aren't interested can just ignore it. (I'm always willing to give lessons on my special ability to not go to a site for a small fee. :) )

Having said that, I'd like to also say that I didn't take Bok's post as anything other than a 'musing out loud' kind of thing. Seems like he was just curious whether others had the same opinion or not. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course, it COULD have been the first step in his master plan to take over the DC stats world by sowing discord over other stats sites. He's already built something of a stats death star here... :D

[riptide]

Of course, it COULD have been the first step in his master plan to take over the DC stats world by sowing discord over other stats sites. He's already built something of a stats death star here... :D
Thats it!! He's going for Da Werld domination in stats.! :rotfl: :thumbs:

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Of course, it COULD have been the first step in his master plan to take over the DC stats world by sowing discord over other stats sites. He's already built something of a stats death star here... :D
Dyyryath, your just a little green cos someone's got better stat's that you had :P now be a bad boy and put yours back up - Let the stat whorage being!
Let's see who's the biggest stat ho' in here :p as they say somewhere
"Gentleman Start your engines........" :rotfl:

[dragongoddess]

Its a question that many people eventually ask after running DC for an extended period of time. Personally I finally crunched my last work unit for F@H earlier in the year. So I'm not doing the DC thing anymore.

I remember the days when the points for one of their work units was just a fraction of a point. I also remember the migration of certain people from one site who eventually brought Free-DC into the world. I remember a lot of things but I seem to have forgotten them again.

For me DC got old and was/is no longer interesting. Now the people were great don't get me wrong. That's one thing I've managed not to forget. Today I'm more interested in having a spell checker than the lastet stats on the latest project. So I voted for the What-DC-Vault option since you didn't have a "I'd rather have a another beer option". Oh and look how far we have come with Smilies.


Oh BTW. NASCAR fans watch for car 34 in this weekends qualifing and hopefully the race on Sunday. With luck the Race El Paso Car will be on the track.

[N.V.M.]

as a mod and long standing member of Team Ninja, i think Bok's ass should just be removed from the stats. as a so called stats man, Bok is being an assman. in other words, why the hell is this "poll" thread even being even being taken semi - seriously? jebus, what an idiot. Bok, you have lost all credibility."all it does is encourage people to crunch small projects". facking stupid.

[CaptainMooseInc]

Wow N.V.M....

I REALLY hope you are joking. Because honestly you are being a f'in @$$hole. Bok hasn't lost all his credibility, not even a sliver. He was asking the members of Free-DC, not Team Ninja, what they thought about an idea he had.

I don't know why you feel it is your right to just come outright and call him and what he has done stupid because of his thoughts. :swear:

You, little weasel, need to crawl your sniveling worthless ass back to your own forums and shut the hell up about Bok and anyone else.

His line about small worthless projects wasn't calling smaller projects stupid but rather saying that stats-whores may crunch smaller projects that have no real meaning on the basis that they can jack their DCr rank up to benefit themselves and their team. He sees a problem in it and was asking if he felt that they abuse on the DCr system is enough to make anyone feel as if F-DC should remove itself from it so as not to contribute to the further abuse of the system and rather just enjoy DCing for what it is, a hobby.

Many projects love Bok's stats and what he's done to get everything altogether and without asking for payment or anything. Once again, shut your mouth and head back to your own forums you little flaming troll. :mouserun:

[LAURENU2]

N.V.M.
I think you just made a ass of yourself replying to a thread that is 1/2 year old with such a angry attitude
And I don't think you are a vary good Representative of your Team
And if you are that is a true Shame

[LAURENU2]

_I _salute_ _Bok Every chance I Can I see all that he dose for the DC world And It Is A Lot
:allhail:

[Bok]

Don't worry about it guys.. /shrug

(And thanks for the kind words)

I very much respect what the guys over at ninjamicros have coded - no doubt about that. I actually have some long standing friends over there and ex-teammates from a previous DC team :) though not this particular member

One bad egg does not make a bad team.

Bok

[em99010pepe]

as a mod and long standing member of Team Ninja, i think Bok's ass should just be removed from the stats. as a so called stats man, Bok is being an assman. in other words, why the hell is this "poll" thread even being even being taken semi - seriously? jebus, what an idiot. Bok, you have lost all credibility."all it does is encourage people to crunch small projects". facking stupid.

You're a mod? Well, at least you could behave like one.

The result of the poll was: "Yes, it causes more problems than it's worth".
So what are we waiting for?!

Carlos

[MereMortal]

Well, Bok, you can blame me for all the troubles in the world. Had I known that the DCR would catch on (and live on after I decided it out-lived it usefulness), I probably wouldn't have created it.

It's main purpose always was a place where teams could find their project ranks for the majority of DC projects in one place; this didn't exist (at least to my satisfaction) at the time. The "local" rankings were just some fluff that was added at the request of a number of individuals. After all, this was just a project for me to learn php and mysql... :)

-MM

[LAURENU2]

Well, Bok, you can blame me for all the troubles in the world.
Lets hear a warm welcome for the new team Fall guy:banana:
Thanks MereMortal But there should be no Blame needed here

It was just a Question asked here a long time a go by Bok. (Not A Big Deal For Us)

It was just brought back to life by a board member from another team :bang:
Waving his Mod-hood badge around

[Bok]

Well, Bok, you can blame me for all the troubles in the world. Had I known that the DCR would catch on (and live on after I decided it out-lived it usefulness), I probably wouldn't have created it.

It's main purpose always was a place where teams could find their project ranks for the majority of DC projects in one place; this didn't exist (at least to my satisfaction) at the time. The "local" rankings were just some fluff that was added at the request of a number of individuals. After all, this was just a project for me to learn php and mysql... :)

-MM

Hi MereMortal,

of course I remember the original DCR, was a very nice piece of coding..

Good to see you still about!

Bok :thumbs:

[Jeff]

as a mod and long standing member of Team Ninja, i think Bok's *** should just be removed from the stats. as a so called stats man, Bok is being an ******. in other words, why the hell is this "poll" thread even being even being taken semi - seriously? jebus, what an idiot. Bok, you have lost all credibility."all it does is encourage people to crunch small projects". ******* stupid.

"Jebus, what an idiot." Indeed... :cry:

[Angus]

I think it's weird.

There is no defensible fair way to score overall ranking across all DC projects using a form of weighting as they (DC-Vault) do, so the whole thing is just a statistical circle-jerk. No offense. I'm still not sure how the ranking in our own signature thing works, so I ignore it :)

While we're on it, I also thing cross project stats parity in BOINK is a pile of doo-doo as well, and a waste of time and effort.

Let the stats for each project stand on their own. DONE.

[Shish]

I think such offensive behaviour should be treat with the disdain it deserves.

Dear me Mr MOD NVM (oo-er, a mod no less:looney:) GET A LIFE boy.

[DarkStar]

Hi, folks - not part of FreeDC so my opinion doesn't really count here, but I'd really hope you don't decide to pull out of DC-Vault.

I'll admit that I'm in it mostly for the stats - for the most part, I don't understand most of the projects or their goals well enough to know whether I think they're "useful" or not. If it weren't for the fun of fiddling around with DC-Vault, I'd probably still just be crunching SETI and Pirates@Home ... which both rather beg the definition of usefulness. As a result, I'd probably never have run anything like Riesel, where I recently found a large prime - not that somebody else wouldn't have found it, or that it'll be in the books a hundred years from now, but it did feel sorta warm and fuzzy.

Just as a forwhateverit'sworth ... :coffee:

And as others have said - thanks for the stats, Bok! :rock:

[Brucifer]

Ahh.... too bad those unkind words were said to you Phil. Makes me sad after the years we have known each other and crunched together and against. I truly believe that the bulk of the DC community is well aware of all the effort you have put forth in everyone's behalf. And I understand your thoughts about DC and getting bored and questioning the relevancy of it all as I go through those thoughts and boredom myself. But I do know that through it all, you've been a gentleman with a heart of gold, out there to help everyone that needed something that you could squeeze into your very busy schedule. And not to forget the personal expense this has cost you over the years too. That you've maintained your cool through this just goes to show that you are one class act. Take care friend! :)

Bruce

[Bok]

Thankyou my friend.

There are more important things in life, I always remember.. Got one more week of work, then I'm off for the rest of the year :) I haven't forgotten those procs either.. Will be the week of the 18th when I do my inventory and send them on...

Bok

[Soriak]

Anything that gets people to throw in more processing power has to be a good thing :thumbs:

There were a few projects I've never heard of before going to the DC Vault and they likely profit a lot from being part of the ranking there. Whether or not the project is worthy of contribution is something people have to decide for themselves. Clearly it is worth the time and effort to those running the project.

Anyway, I just registered to ask you guys at Free-DC to stick around on the vault - the chase to the first spot has been fun and I'm sure more than one or two computers have been upgraded because of it! :cheers:

[LAURENU2]

the chase to the first spot has been fun and I'm sure more than one or two computers have been upgraded because of it!
The chase to the first spot IS HARD when your up against the BEST Team In The WORLD :banana:

[Soriak]

The chase to the first spot IS HARD when your up against the BEST Team In The WORLD :banana:

Good job on staying #1 for so long! :clap:

But your lead is down to 2,502.51 points my friend... soon we'll see you in our rear mirror :moto: :D

[LAURENU2]

Good job on staying #1 for so long! :clap:

But your lead is down to 2,502.51 points my friend... soon we'll see you in our rear mirror :moto: :D
But you know the last 2,502.51 points are the hardest to gain:rock:

[riptide]

Bok good! NVM Bad!

[XS_Diablo_Legion]

as a mod and long standing member of Team Ninja,

I wonder if Team Ninja would admit to having a grade one a hole like you as you as a member.

I had the pleasure of working with Bok on a very special project. His fairness and his professionalism is without dispute. Neither is honesty. The unfairness of your attack is beyond the pale. You owe Bok and the members of this community a huge apology.

Jose A Izquierdo
Proud Member of XtremeSystems and The Bok Fan Club

[XS_Duc]

Bok good! NVM Bad!

:thumbs:

[CaptainMooseInc]

Anyone else but me notice that the little weasel has failed to even post once since his flame? Seems to me like he's backed into a :cower: corner :cower: and feels like staying hidden now. :)

[jimwah]

Bok good! NVM Bad!

:rock:

Regards, jimwah

Also a Proud Member of XtremeSystems and The Bok Fan Club

[LAURENU2]

:jester: Now taking Orders for the Boks fan club Hats and Shirts:jester:
Hats 11.99 +S/H:clap:
Shirts 14.99 +S/H:clap:
:rotfl: All proceeds to go toward the defense of Bok:rotfl:

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Lauren :rotfl:
Yeah I did notice he's not been back - Hmm I'd say go flame his ass over on their forum but what's the point or maybe we should point him out to 'em

[LAURENU2]

Lauren :rotfl:
Yeah I did notice he's not been back - Hmm I'd say go flame his ass over on their forum but what's the point or maybe we should point him out to 'em
I would not lower my self to do what he/she:lmao: did here
When I post on other team boards I show respect for that forum as I consider my self a Representative of the Team Free-DC :rock:

[Shish]

Manners maketh Man.
Good on you Laurenu2 mate...
Hmmmm anybody kow how to clean out an infected keyboatrd ?
Can`t find my hammer......

[riptide]

:jester: Now taking Orders for the Boks fan club Hats and Shirts:jester:
Hats 11.99 +S/H:clap:
Shirts 14.99 +S/H:clap:
:rotfl: All proceeds to go toward the defense of Bok:rotfl:
Oh cool... whats shipping to Ireland?

[LAURENU2]

Oh cool... whats shipping to Ireland?
I was just making joke:rotfl: Bok don't need a defense fund when he has so many buds from all over the world to stand up for him

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

That's True Luaren - I would do the same but I would POINT them to this thread very kindly :thumbs: :hifi:

[LAURENU2]

That's True Luaren - I would do the same but I would POINT them to this thread very kindly :thumbs: :hifi:
Go for it gopher :thumbs: let his team mate show him the right way to act