This is not a drill....... it's a jackhammer

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

This is a friendly warning, I have a new toy to play with, not saying the exact spec but the chip it's socket AM3 and I'm running 4Gb of DDR3 with it, getting Ubuntu 9.10 to test it, then going to put it live once i get the correct case for it as well I'm not going to put the g/card in just yet.... I just wanna bench it first.

[enderak]

Yes, but can it keep up with my Intel i7 Extreme 965? Methinks I'll be watching you work your jackhammer from the comfort of my backhoe.

(Hey, this is the Trash Talk forum, all's fair!) :jester:

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Intel it's not I can't afford an i7 (I wish i could) :P

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Okay I'm on the new PC and I'm posting this without evening booting into XP64 bit or Ubuntu :D Express Gate ftw ;) PC is running smooth and quiet now time I think to start porting over my data - gonna be a slow process....

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Well posting some good numbers I think :D

[Sport]

Intel it's not I can't afford an i7 (I wish i could) :P
These Phenom Quads are great! I'm running 2 of them. One backed up with an ATI 4850, the other with a NVidia 9600 GSO. Both machines are OCed and rock solid!!!

[Paratima]

I just built a Phenom Quad for a buddy who's running Windows 7 64-bit and loves it. And yeah, it's quick! Really quick. :thumbs:

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

I've had to slam the breaks on my Quad,aborted all projects, since the Primary Sata HDD is throwing bad sectors and needs replacing - I'm sick of BSOD STOP messages followed by system32\config\.... can't read this file errors and I need to sort the case cooling out big time.
I need ideas people
From CPU-Z /GPU-Z

Motherboard : Asus M4A785TD-V EVO 785GX/SB750/IT8712
Processor : AMD Athlon II X4 620 (Propus)
Speed: 2.6 Ghz (200 x 13)
HS/Fan : Stock

Memory : 4 x 1Gb Geil DDR3 (9-9-9-24) with Heat spreaders
Fan : None
FSB:DRAM 3:10

Graphics : Radeon HD 4650 (RV730)
Ram: 1Gb DDR2
Bus: PCI-E 2.0 x16 @ x8 (hmm not running full speed)
HS/Fan : Passive Cooled
Additional Fan fitted below

HDD:
P-IDE Master: DVD-writer
Sata 1: 500Gb WD
Sata 2: 320Gb Hatachi
Sata 3: 360Gb Seagate
I have new drive I want to put in but it either wants to boot from it or it hangs on BOOT with it plugged in..
Fan: Front of case to cool the drives.
Fan: Rear of case to try and cool it but side is off trying to keep it cool

From Asus PC Probe II
CPU: 43C
System: 32C
CPU Fan: 2777
Power (Front): 1991
Chassis (Rear): 792
From Speedfan 4.4
T1: 43C
T2: 32C
HD0: 35C
HD1: 34C
HD2: 34C
Core: 38C

Onload
CPU:50C ~

Case: 4 x 5 1/2 and 7 (2 external / 5 internal) 3.5 bay with
front / rear 80 mm fan points 7 slot points and no side fan.

PSU: 520W thinking I need more
12V @ 25A, 5V @ 26A 3.3V @ 27A has 20/24 pin connector - 1 sata + standard connectors.

[LAURENU2]

Some times the memory loses contact and will BSOD try removing all connector and pushing them back on

[Bigred]

I've had to slam the breaks on my Quad,aborted all projects, since the Primary Sata HDD is throwing bad sectors and needs replacing - I'm sick of BSOD STOP messages followed by system32\config\.... can't read this file errors and I need to sort the case cooling out big time.
I need ideas people
From CPU-Z /GPU-Z

Motherboard : Asus M4A785TD-V EVO 785GX/SB750/IT8712
Processor : AMD Athlon II X4 620 (Propus)
Speed: 2.6 Ghz (200 x 13)
HS/Fan : Stock

Memory : 4 x 1Gb Geil DDR3 (9-9-9-24) with Heat spreaders
Fan : None
FSB:DRAM 3:10

Graphics : Radeon HD 4650 (RV730)
Ram: 1Gb DDR2
Bus: PCI-E 2.0 x16 @ x8 (hmm not running full speed)
HS/Fan : Passive Cooled
Additional Fan fitted below

HDD:
P-IDE Master: DVD-writer
Sata 1: 500Gb WD
Sata 2: 320Gb Hatachi
Sata 3: 360Gb Seagate
I have new drive I want to put in but it either wants to boot from it or it hangs on BOOT with it plugged in..
Fan: Front of case to cool the drives.
Fan: Rear of case to try and cool it but side is off trying to keep it cool

From Asus PC Probe II
CPU: 43C
System: 32C
CPU Fan: 2777
Power (Front): 1991
Chassis (Rear): 792
From Speedfan 4.4
T1: 43C
T2: 32C
HD0: 35C
HD1: 34C
HD2: 34C
Core: 38C

Onload
CPU:50C ~

Case: 4 x 5 1/2 and 7 (2 external / 5 internal) 3.5 bay with
front / rear 80 mm fan points 7 slot points and no side fan.

PSU: 520W thinking I need more
12V @ 25A, 5V @ 26A 3.3V @ 27A has 20/24 pin connector - 1 sata + standard connectors.

I'm going to assume this is your personal do it all computer. About 6 years ago I got tired of my system sounding like a jet warming up from all the fans to try and keep it cool. I went with liquid cooling and now there is only a single 10cm fan in the case and the power supply fan. It is so quiet that the loudest thing is when the dvd spins up. The CPU temperature never exceeds 36c even with Boinc running. It also warms up the room nicely in the winter. I'll never go back to air cooling for my personal rig and I'm still using the kit I bought way back when. To give you an idea about what you would need look (sorry but it is in German) here (http://www.webshop-innovatek.de/shop/Wasserkuehlung/Komplett-Sets/Sets-mit-SINGLE-Radiator/innovatek-SET-Basic-LC-754-939-940-AM2-AM3.html). I would recommend mounting the radiator outside the case for maximum cooling. Mine mounts right on the 10cm case fan at the back of the case. I've seen kits that have a pump, tank, fan and radiator all in one box that fits in a double 5 1/4 drive bay. I would stay from this system as it releases the heat inside the case.

The other thing I would suggest is to replace your graphics card with one of the newer ones that blow the heat out the back of the case. If you decide on the liquid cooling you can add the GPU into the system too. I would also up the power supply to at least 600w.

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Some times the memory loses contact and will BSOD try removing all connector and pushing them back on
I've re-bedded the RAM it runs freaking HOT.


I'm going to assume this is your personal do it all computer. About 6 years ago I got tired of my system sounding like a jet warming up from all the fans to try and keep it cool. I went with liquid cooling and now there is only a single 10cm fan in the case and the power supply fan. It is so quiet that the loudest thing is when the dvd spins up. The CPU temperature never exceeds 36c even with Boinc running. It also warms up the room nicely in the winter. I'll never go back to air cooling for my personal rig and I'm still using the kit I bought way back when. To give you an idea about what you would need look (sorry but it is in German) here (http://www.webshop-innovatek.de/shop/Wasserkuehlung/Komplett-Sets/Sets-mit-SINGLE-Radiator/innovatek-SET-Basic-LC-754-939-940-AM2-AM3.html). I would recommend mounting the radiator outside the case for maximum cooling. Mine mounts right on the 10cm case fan at the back of the case. I've seen kits that have a pump, tank, fan and radiator all in one box that fits in a double 5 1/4 drive bay. I would stay from this system as it releases the heat inside the case.

The other thing I would suggest is to replace your graphics card with one of the newer ones that blow the heat out the back of the case. If you decide on the liquid cooling you can add the GPU into the system too. I would also up the power supply to at least 600w.

Big Red - Yeah it's my Personal Rig.. The GPU is pretty new anyway, Passive Cooling. I have been thinking Liquid Cooling but Hmm never been sure about it. I suppose your right I need to Liquid Cool this sucker but then again
I'm going to return the new drive since it's not freaking showing up...
I just tried it the 500Gb with the 320 and the 500Gb plugged in to the slot the 360 works on.. NOTHING...
Yeah I've seen those kits not fun what's the point in dragging the heat out and then put it back..

[Bigred]

I've re-bedded the RAM it runs freaking HOT.



Big Red - Yeah it's my Personal Rig.. The GPU is pretty new anyway, Passive Cooling. I have been thinking Liquid Cooling but Hmm never been sure about it. I suppose your right I need to Liquid Cool this sucker but then again
I'm going to return the new drive since it's not freaking showing up...
I just tried it the 500Gb with the 320 and the 500Gb plugged in to the slot the 360 works on.. NOTHING...
Yeah I've seen those kits not fun what's the point in dragging the heat out and then put it back..

The biggest worry most people have with liquid cooling is they are afraid it will leak and destroy thier rig. Most of the better kits come with a special fluid for cooling that does not conduct electricty. Just like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChOe6F1rZKQ) one.
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Surprise/surprised-038.gif

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

I may get a Memory fan and see how bad it gets I think your right I need to be dragging more air through.

[Bigred]

I may get a Memory fan and see how bad it gets I think your right I need to be dragging more air through.

More fans mean more noise and usually leaving the side off the case doesn't help unless you have a table fan blowing cool air in.

[LAURENU2]

More fans mean more noise and usually leaving the side off the case doesn't help unless you have a table fan blowing cool air in.

Well that should do it just strap a 20X20 Box fan to one side of your Case
and remove the other side for a intake:lmao:

[Bigred]

Well that should do it just strap a 20X20 Box fan to one side of your Case
and remove the other side for a intake:lmao:

There is an easier way. Just stick it in a freezer.:rotfl:

[LAURENU2]

ya but with all the cords it would not make a good seal

[Bigred]

ya but with all the cords it would not make a good seal

Drill a hole for the cords and then seal it with silicone. You could then name the machine Ice Box.

[LAURENU2]

or the F-Box :lmao:

[Bigred]

Or you could say it's been put on Ice.:D

[LAURENU2]

But there is no ICE just airspeed

[Bigred]

ICE Internet Crunching Express

[LAURENU2]

What next

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Guys Real funny!
I have confirmed that the new SATA II drive I got is FUBAR! yeah booted up a few times and then FAILED!

[Bigred]

Guys Real funny!
I have confirmed that the new SATA II drive I got is FUBAR! yeah booted up a few times and then FAILED!

We're just staying busy until you ask for more help. http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Computer/computer-17.gif

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Thanks red, I have another 500gb drive that I took out seems more "stable" so backing up to that and i'll see if that boots :D

[Bigred]

Thanks red, I have another 500gb drive that I took out seems more "stable" so backing up to that and i'll see if that boots :D

Go to the drive manufacturers web site and you can download their diagnostic software in an ISO format. Create the CD and boot from it. It will tell you whether your drive is defective or not. It will also test the controller on the MB. A lot of them even allow you to retreive the information needed for an RMA.

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Well I didn't hear a single "spin up" attempt you know when the PSU is hitting it's limits your try to do too much at once...
How can I get anything off it, IF the BIOS doesn't pick it up!

[LAURENU2]

I all ways get the magnets off the Drives when the Bios can't pick up the Drive:rotfl:

[Bigred]

Well I didn't hear a single "spin up" attempt you know when the PSU is hitting it's limits your try to do too much at once...
How can I get anything off it, IF the BIOS doesn't pick it up!

Oh boy this is going to be fun.:idea:

First try disconnecting the power for all the other drives and see if it spins up.

Next you could try changing the power connection for the drive.

You can try changing the power supply.

You can try resetting the BIOS to factory settings. Usually a jumper located near the battery.

You could try putting it in an external case and see if the system recognises that there is a drive.

If you can it get to recognise the drive but it won't show you the files there is still hope. There is a free program out there called PC Inspector File Recovery that does a great job at recovering your important stuff.

If all else fails and there is something really important on the drive you can use a professional file recovery service but it's expensive.:eek:

[LAURENU2]

Well I didn't hear a single "spin up" attempt you know when the PSU is hitting it's limits your try to do too much at once...
How can I get anything off it, IF the BIOS doesn't pick it up!

One thing nobody talked about is if you set the slave master pins on the drive
your BIOS would not even pick up the drive if they are not set right

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Well it's a SATA drive so no master slave pins to set, nothing to set at all it's plug in and go.. I did take it back and well he could get it to show up either either in bios or using tools he has which are way better than mine, New drive :) also I got a new PSU is this sucker now bye bye 520w - hello 750w with enough AMPS where I need 'em.. I may still need to change the case but we shall see ;) Now I'm going to let it BOINC a little..

[LAURENU2]

So it is all working OK now:thumbs:

[Bigred]

Looks like another great mystery solved.:D

[LAURENU2]

And it's time to UPGRADE Again:Pokes:

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

LOL yeah PSU sorted now just for some more cooling :rotfl:

[Paratima]

I know there are lots of folks happy with water cooling, but I just never had the guts... :p

Here's what I use: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811166038

Lots of big, slow, quiet fans. Kind of a pain to assemble so that the fans are pushing/pulling where you want them, but once you get it set... Does the job for me! As always, YMMV.

Check out the reviews, though. The only bad one was about something about rebates, which I never pay attention to, anyway.

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Well it's all stable now so PSU was the issue - Warp engaged

[Bigred]

That's great.
http://bestsmileys.com/scifi/13.gif

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Also turned off the Cool n Quiet i hate seeing the multiplier jump around..

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

I am getting some nice numbers out the Quad when I can although I am now starting to find that 4Gb isn't enough some of these WU's are huge and eat up more than 1Gb of memory so I end up only using 3 cores or if i'm lucky 3 cores + my GPU which is slow but I can't replace it, I'm in save, save, save, save, save mode I need to get me moved to West coast USA..

[guru]

Where at in the West Coast USA? If you can make it to my house I have some AMD boards W/proc and hard drives for you.

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Guru :D Where well Orange County, CA :D somewhere. MY fiancée is there waiting, trying to work out the details of how and when I come over, which visa to get and all that, I need to be able to start work, if I can as soon as possible.

[guru]

Ah Socal. Well I'm Norcal but really central.

If you are planning on getting married you will need a specific visa for that. Otherwise getting a Green card will be a PITA!

[LAURENU2]

Are you going to have a yard sale to get rid of all your stuff or ebay it?

[gopher_yarrowzoo]

Lol lauren, i've not got much to get rid of, some I may just give away since I was given it, other i'll sell...
Guru - I know people all over the US and in CA, So Cal, No Cal, Cen Cal.