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Dyyryath
07-25-2003, 12:50 AM
When I first started hearing about places where you could purchase music online in a purely electronic form, I thought, "Damn, that sounds great!" I'm all about instant gratification and I never use the physical medium beyond using it to create electronic versions anyway. In the past, however, I always found something I didn't like about the various online purchasing sites.

Recently, Apple's iTunes Music Store (http://www.apple.com/music/store/) has gotten a lot of press. It's for Apple users only, though, so I had little interest in it. While I have a couple of warm, fuzzy feelings about the new G5s, they aren't nearly strong enough to push me into actually buying an Apple computer.

Now a new site has popped up which works much like Apple's: http://www.buymusic.com. I read about it somewhere the day it went live and thought, "That's nice." Last night, though, I got a little bored and stumbled across another article about it somewhere else. "Heh, maybe I'll kill a few minutes looking at it", I thought.

The first thing you need to know is: It's for Windows/Internet Explorer/Windows Media Player 9 only. As most of you know, I'm a Linux guy, but I've got a great little app called VMWare (http://www.vmware.com) that I use to run Windows under Linux. So, I fired it up, loaded my Windows XP machine (the virtual one, as it were), and proceeded to poke around the site a little.

I immediately discovered that all the songs you can purchase (whether as singles or as a complete album) come in .wmv format (Windows Media Player), and include DRM (Digital Rights Management) restrictions. These restrictions vary from file to file, depending on which company owns the rights to the track(s) in question. Essentially, these restrictions can be broken down into three different areas: (a) how many different computers you can listen to the file on, (b) how many times you can download the track to a mobile media player, and (c) how many times you can burn the tracks to an audio CD. Some are more restrictive than others, but for my purposes, all I cared about was (c). If I could burn the tracks to an audio CD, then I was satisfied (for reasons that will soon be apparent). Fortunately, every file I looked at on the service allowed this at least once.

The next thing that I learned is that the selection of tracks available is limited. If you are looking for new pop, hip hop, or country music, you'll probably be just fine. If you're looking for older or more unusual stuff, it becomes a little more difficult. I started out looking for stuff by The Cars. Couldn't find anything. Then I looked for stuff by a couple of other 80s bands. I found some things, couldn't find others. I was about to give up when I noticed the 'search by genre' button. Using it I found I was able to browse what was available rather than having to guess by searching. In a few minutes, I'd found an old album by Al Hirt that I wanted, a new album by t.A.T.u. that sounded pretty good (did I mention you can listen to 30 second clips of every song available?), and a Greatest Hits album of Jerry Lee Lewis' music that I just had to have.

I paid for all three (just under $30 altogether) using a credit card and downloaded them to my computer. After listening to them some, I decided to burn each one to a CD. This was absolutely painless. Put the CD in, select the files, click 'Copy' and away you go.

Now, earlier I was explaining that I didn't really have any use for physical versions of music, so why was I burning CDs? So I could turn right around and rip them to .ogg files under Linux. ;)

Of course, you could just as easily rip them to MP3s under Windows. Once you have the music in CD Audio format, you can do anything with it that you would normally do with an audio CD. Play it in your car, in your home stereo, in your computer's CD-ROM, or rip it to another compressed music format.

Each of these albums is now a part of the vast collection of MP3s and OGGs that live downstairs on my primary file server (about 80gb and counting). They are devoid of DRM and work flawlessly. I'm sure that the people behind buymusic.com (and especially the RIAA) aren't going to like this, but I'm not sharing them, so they can just piss off. I paid for these tracks and I'm not going to listen to them until the first time I need to reformat my box with a clean OS (which would make your downloaded licenses useless rendering the tracks inaccessible). The only reason I even considered buying these albums was because I was relatively sure that I'd be able to turn them into something more palatable than the restricted .wmv format they came in. It seemed like a risk worth taking just to see how it worked out, and I can now happily say that it worked out just fine. :thumbs:

I guess the whole point of this post is to let my fellow Free-DC buddies know that if you are interested in music, and have been wondering whether there was anything to be gained by using a service like this, then it might be worth your time to give this one a try. The DRM stuff is annoying, but pretty easy to work around, and with that out of the way, the rest of it is really a pretty painless (and immediate) way to purchase music. :thumbs:

Dyyryath
07-25-2003, 01:14 AM
I just found the following in the 'Terms of Use' for buymusic.com:


End User may only download, transfer, copy and use the Digital Downloads as stated in the particular song, partial album, or album's Metadata Information, which is hereby incorporated by reference. No other downloads, transfers, copies or uses of Digital Downloads are permitted.

I think it's pretty obvious that they don't want you converting audio CDs (which you *are* allowed to make) back into other formats. However, I'm also fairly sure that this is covered by fair use, regardless of what they say. So long as you are only using these 'copies' to play the tracks on your own hardware, you should be fine. Also, since you are copying them from CD Audio, which has no access controls of any kind, the DMCA shouldn't apply in any way shape or form. Of course, I'm no lawyer, so YMMV. ;) :D

Paratima
07-25-2003, 01:53 AM
VERY Nice! However, you got an extra period in the linky above.

Should be: www.buymusic.com (http://www.buymusic.com).

Thanks for the tip! :thumbs:

PY 222
07-25-2003, 02:05 AM
Dyy, you mentioned that you paid $30 bucks for 3 albums right.

How much for a single track? I saw an ad on tv that says each track was only 79 cents. Is that correct?

Dyyryath
07-25-2003, 02:34 AM
It depends on the track. Most are about .99, some are .79, and some are 1.14 or so. They're all usually within a few cents of a dollar, though...

Paratima: Thanks, buddy! I've fixed it! :thumbs:

:banana: *Dyyryath dances around the room listening to Al Hirt* :banana:

pointwood
07-25-2003, 05:14 AM
Arstechica article about it: http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=174096756&m=7100983675&r=7100983675

There's just something humorous about Buymusic.com not really meaning "Buy music." In a way I find that pretty funny, but I also find it very sad.

Another quote:
Of course, the licenses are totally non-transferable, and are machine specific. The license is tied not to you, or to a key you possess. Nope, the license is tied to the computer. As far as I can tell, and someone on the phone confirmed this, once you switch computers, you're no longer licensed. Your burned CDs are still playable, but the WMA file on your computer will no longer work. How nice...NOT. How many people will first figure this out when it's too late?

In regards to your re-encoding. It can't exactly be good quality Ogg's as explained on in Ogg Vorbis FAQ:
Can I convert my MP3 collection to the Ogg Vorbis format?

You can convert any audio format to Ogg Vorbis. However, converting from one lossy format, like MP3, to another lossy format, like Vorbis, is generally a bad idea. Both MP3 and Vorbis encoders achieve high compression ratios by throwing away parts of the audio waveform that you probably won't hear. However, the MP3 and Vorbis codecs are very different, so they each will throw away different parts of the audio, although there certainly is some overlap. Converting a MP3 to Vorbis involves decoding the MP3 file back to an uncompressed format, like WAV, and recompressing it using the Ogg Vorbis encoder. The decoded MP3 will be missing the parts of the original audio that the MP3 encoder chose to discard. The Ogg Vorbis encoder will then discard other audio components when it compresses the data. At best, the result will be an Ogg file that sounds the same as your original MP3, but it is most likely that the resulting file will sound worse than your original MP3. In no case will you get a file that sounds better than the original MP3. I don't think it is legal to do it, but IANAL either and certainly not familiar with US copy right law...

Generally, I think it is useless. Just the fact that it's WMA files and WMP9 only, is enough to make me turn around and not enter the store at all. Just like I wouldn't buy a CD that could only be played on Sony CD-players.

Before they'll get me to buy anything, they'll have to offer something that gives me at least the same oppertunities as a CD. To do that, they need to offer the music in a lossless unrestricted format like FLAC.

Like that will ever happen :rolleyes:

Dyyryath
07-25-2003, 01:13 PM
I was already aware of the restrictions implied by the DRM, hence the


I paid for these tracks and I'm not going to listen to them until the first time I need to reformat my box with a clean OS (which would make your downloaded licenses useless rendering the tracks inaccessible).

part of the post. However, as I can work around this, it doesn't really bother me too much. ;)

While the quality of the resulting files may not equal what I'd get going directly from an original CD, they still sound perfectly acceptable to me. To be honest, I've never been a stickler for ultra high sound quality. I tend to listen to music either on my computer or in my car. While I do have a fairly nice home system with some very high end equipment, it rarely gets used. I can certainly see where this would be a show stopper for an afficianado of all things audio, but it's simply not noticeable under the conditions that I generally listen to music in. :cool:

As for the whether it's legal thing or not: I have to admit I'm just not too worried about that. The copies that I'm making are for my own use, won't be shared with anyone else, and are of things that I've legally paid for. If they want to come after me over that...well, let them come. ;)

Scoofy12
07-25-2003, 01:54 PM
a small point regarding the legality of recopying your cds... it may be that it's covered under fair use (although that may be sticky) but its likely that if you did that they would sue you for breach of contract or something like that, since when you signed up for the service, you agreed to the terms.

was wondering if the wma->ogg conversion would sound passable... what is the bitrate of the wma's?

Dyyryath
07-25-2003, 02:10 PM
Most of them are dynamic 128k. They sound pretty decent, though. I've been listening to the Al Hirt stuff I bought yesterday mixed in with several tracks that I've ripped directly from various Al Hirt CDs (static 192kb/s) and they sound comparable on my Altec Lansing computer speakers.

Breach of contract is a possibility, but I'm not really too worried. If I was I probably wouldn't have posted it here, but rather just kept that part to myself. Of course, I'm not always good at displaying the best judgement. :D

pointwood
07-26-2003, 02:43 AM
I know the chance of them comming after you is smaller than the chance of me winning in Lotto (and I don't buy lotto tickets :D ), but it would still be nice to be on the right side of the law...

Anyway, the DRM restrictions and the format is what really bothers me.

I can't see *any* reasons why I should suddenly be happy to be able to buy music in a lower quality and with a lot more restrictions than I had previously :confused:

As I said before, I would *never* buy a CD that could only be played in a Sony CD-player. Not even if I had a Sony CD-player...

I want FLAC, because then I can convert it to whatever format I need and still have the original - just like a CD.

We have all this cool technologi that is able to make is so much better and easier for us - but it hasn't really become much easier, has it? You now have to convert it twice before you have it in the format you prefer...

Also, in your case, you *have* to convert all the music you buy before you can even listen to it where you usually listen to music. And you have to burn them to a CD to not loose them if you want to get a new PC...

/rant

;)

I just think it is sad to see them screw up like that :(

Dyyryath
07-26-2003, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by pointwood
I just think it is sad to see them screw up like that :(
I couldn't agree more.

I will say, though, that I the time it takes me to convert it twice, is less than the time it would take me to go to the nearest record store or the time it would take me to get stuff shipped from Amazon.

They certainly aren't doing things the way I'd have them do it, but I honestly think I like this better than the way I've been doing it for the last several years...

It's sad when a crappy way of doing things is enough of an improvement over the old way that it almost seems not so crappy. :D

magicfan241
07-26-2003, 06:08 PM
I use rhapsody for all of my music. Stream as much as you want for $10 a month, and so far, it's really worth it. They are adding lots of albums all the time, and you can burn pretty much any song (except some of the classical stuff) for $0.79. Not only that, but they give you instuctuions on how to hook your stereo into your computer. But of course, I use my handy little capture program to capture the output to line out when I get a song I really like, or I just buy it. It's a download, no DRM, so you at your lesure.