FaD Gauntlet

[Fozzie]

some guys over at the FaD forum are trying to organise a three week gauntlet.

As we know we were quite late coming to the FaD ball in significant numbers (no offence implied to those who started teh FaD crew) and we have been stomping all bar TSC Russia.

Now is our opportunity to show all concerned who the number 1 punchers are.

Bok, PCZ and myself have already showed interest and we need a team of 15.

I think we should invite Lemonsqzz if we can't get 15 FDC members but FDC current memebers will of course have preference over mercs.

So who fancies raising the Free DC flag?

[ronbo54]

Sounds good

Has anyone even heard from Lemonsqzz? Would be good to have on Free-DC anyway :cheers:

[meep]

Count me in...

[PY 222]

Will there be some special stats for this gauntlet?

If the answer is yes, then I am in. ;)

Yes... me stats whore! :smoking:

[jasong]

Is the 15 members thing a limit or a goal, because I have about 280 points/hr I can give to the project.

[Fozzie]

here it is

http://www.find-a-drug.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=135701#135701

[PY 222]

Just saw the link. Me like the stats that they have put up for the Gauntlet.

Can I reserve a spot on the Team first because Oct is still very far away and I won't know where I'll be then. Is this possible?

[Fozzie]

daily average of 44K, I think we need the big hitters for this one. ;)

[LAURENU2]

I am always here :moon: But some of my gears have heat stroke :trash: But if they take as long as the cows did to get started the heat should not be a problem. might even have snow

[meep]

Defo one for the big hitters... may be able to tempt some chaps away from other projects for this one?

[redukt]

Wish I had bigger numbers but I'm in! One of my boxes is getting a motherboard replaced ATM, so I'm out of a boxxen...

[PY 222]

Originally posted by Fozzie
daily average of 44K, I think we need the big hitters for this one. ;)

Is that the minimum?

Anyway... I guess you can count me out for now since I cannot really commit to a Gauntlet that is more than one month away.

If you guys still have space the week before the Gauntlet starts, then I'll be more than happy to join you guys.

Good luck Team! :thumbs:

[Evilmoose]

Im in if needed;) . I think I could increase production allitle too.:thumbs:

[rjkc4]

Can droids join?

[Shish]

Well, add me in if I`m needed.
Just got the 2 dual AMD`s just now but another dual and a couple singles will be going by then and even maybe a 3800X2 will be finished if I get paid for current jobs in the next couple weeks.
Defo strapped just now and catching up with all the jobs on the bench as long as this damn corset doesn`t cripple me again. Diamorphine and soldering irons don`t make happy bedfellows.
Might just put the spare dual Barton Asus up for sale to add to funds and get a decent combo with the 3800x2.

[Fozzie]

there is no minimum I was just having a mild pop at PY for slacking and averaging 44K in the dailies.

No limits as that would contravene the Free in Free DC.

So we need 15 crunchers and it doesn't matter what you bring to the party as long as we all have fun.

So we have

PCZ
Bok
Lauren
RJKC4 - protocol droids allowed
Ronbo
Meep
Evilmoose
Jasong
Redukt
Shish
Fozzie

possibly PY

Still need some more numbers.

[n7vxj]

I had to shut down some of my crunchers for awhile,cause the electric bill got to high, and some kept overheating with the heatwave we've been having here.So I'm down to 3 crunchers.I would much rather our heavy hitters do this one, but if you're short of players when the time arrives, I'll join with my 3 machines.Won't be a whole lot of output, but I guess anythng is better than nothing!!!:Pokes:

[redukt]

I'm having a recent bout of overheating on my A64-3200+ lately, and my 2.8 Celeron is in the shop like I said, so I'd be better on reserves than in the main lineup, but I am happy to do whatever I can!

[[DPC]Frentik]

Hi Guys

As I understand from this Gauntlet Homepage (http://oct31.org/Gauntlet/FAD_2005/index_e.html) the Gauntlet teams do NOT have to be restricted to FaD Teams And to be honest this wouldnt be fun either. If for example we take the top 15 cruchers of FDC and DPC it will not be hard to guess which team will win this 3 week Gauntlet. (off course as DPC we will still outcrunch FDC because of our other 1400+ small members :p )

For this Gauntlet it would be better to mix up users of different FaD Teams and create Gauntlet Teams with almost equal CPU power (for example based on the last 28 days average). Seperate Gauntlet Stats (http://www.myactiveworlds.com/test/fad_g1/grouppage.php) will show the score of each Gauntlet Team. This does NOT mean your points will not count for FDC !! (because the teamnumber in your thinkclient is unchanged and should still be 2047...or was it 2020 :rolleyes: )

So I see no point in hiring mercs for this Gauntlet as its not intended to be a FaD Team Gauntlet but rather a way of showing the individual user scores differently. In this way we can compete WITH eachother NOT against eachother as we normally do.


BTW: Bok, I participate(d) in all project listen in my stats tag but only 3 show numbers...what's wrong? Double checked all my project usernames already......is it because DPC isnt in the FDC stats for those projects?

[LAURENU2]

From the rule page at
http://oct31.org/Gauntlet/FAD_2005/index_e.html

The Nordlichter invite you to a Gauntlet


Goal of this Gauntlet is, to prove to her Majesty in a fair and friendly contest against other noble Amazones, Knights, Ladies and Lords the ability of your team to present their art and power of fighting.

On behalf of this, you're asked to unite, gather together to build teams and face this challenge.

The rules are pretty plain and simple:

Teams

The Gauntlet teams can be arranged freely without beeing restricted to the FaD teams
Each team can consist of up to 15 fellow combatants
It's understood that a well choosen team name should will help motivation
Each combatant can use as many computers as he can get hold of, without stealing.

Scoring

Everyone is asked to start with result buffers as empty as possible
Fresh (uncrunched) workunits can be stacked as needed of course
During the Gauntlet, crunch as much as your equipment allows to. The team with most results rules the Gauntlet
Final scores are taken at the end but there will be updated Statistics everyday
Besides the team battle, there will be individual competition too, more importantly however is the team
Combatants scoring way more than 1/3rd of their Gauntlet-totals on a single day, might be disqualified by the combat judge because of suspicion on manipulation
In order to avoid violating this rule of 1/3rd, it is recommended to flush the results at least once the week.

Time, location and all the rest

The Gauntlet will start on 03 Oct 2005 at 17:00 UTC (GMT) and will go on for 3 weeks
So we will have the winners on 24 Oct 2005 at 17:00 UTC
You will find a forum with guest posting enabled for discussions, disputes and palaver every evening here
Provocations and individual challenges are permitted and can even the spice up the challenge - regarding fairness and respect
If possible, place registration for more team members not later than 2 days before the Gauntlet starts
You should avoid changing the name of your FaD account while the Gauntlet is in progress as this can cause major confusion in the stats scripts
If there's any problem, please consult Yeti or nozi, if there's something wrong with the stats, please inform Ananas about it

[Bok]

Originally posted by [DPC]Frentik


BTW: Bok, I participate(d) in all project listen in my stats tag but only 3 show numbers...what's wrong? Double checked all my project usernames already......is it because DPC isnt in the FDC stats for those projects? [/B]

Exactly,

I'll add in DPC stats for those projects as soon as I can..

added to my Todo page (http://stats.free-dc.org/todo.php)



Bok :cheers:

[Jkusuda]

Count me in as well.

[[DPC]Frentik]

Originally posted by Bok
Exactly,

I'll add in DPC stats for those projects as soon as I can..
added to my Todo page (http://stats.free-dc.org/todo.php)

Bok :cheers:

Thx m8 :cheers:

edit <5 hours later:
:notworthy Already some more numbers in my sig :notworthy

[furballexpress]

I'm in also...if you need me. Lemme know!

[redukt]

Any recent news on this?

[Fozzie]

but Meep out looks like we are on 14 participants

PCZ
Bok
Lauren
RJKC4
Ronbo
Evilmoose
Jasong
Redukt
Shish
Fozzie
JKusuda
FurballExpress
PY222
N7vxj

One more and we can get registered.

So who else is in?

[willebenn]

Ok, count me in. It should be cool enough by 3 Oct for me to turn on some systems. Right now it is still to frigging hot here, 90+ yesterday and more of the same today.

[Fozzie]

can everyone confirm they are good to go for the whole 3 weeks with the majority or all the GHZ they can muster.

For those with uberGHZ just put a good few boxen on.

[Shish]

Well, I`ll stick another dual Athlon on making 3 systems of 2x2.4, 2x2.2, 2x1.8 Ghz.

[Jkusuda]

Foz,

I'll switch everything I've got back to FaD for the run. Gonna make a serious little DPAD push here then first but I'll be back by 10/3.

[LAURENU2]

Yes I am good for the run in OCT with 64 or more nodes and I will see if I can get the back 40 online :trash:

Go Team Go

[Bok]

I will try do it if the gauntlet goes ahead.

I may not be too responsive depending on when my daughter is born though..October is going to be a VERY busy month for me..

Bok

[redukt]

I should be in with about 12Ghz. Installing Fedora Core 4 as we speak (on the Sempron 2800+ I won from this month's contest :D).

[rjkc4]

I am in for the gauntlet.

Keep me posted.

Kevin

[Fozzie]

and wir sind registered ;) or something like that.

[Dreamer]

I'm in!
It's the only project I have been running. Only two boxes here, neither of them are very powerful. I hope to head over to my father's tomorrow and will add his old box to the project....

:cheers:

[Fozzie]

I believe that the gauntlet is restricted to teams of 15, which I have already regisered.

If anyone drops out I'll be sure to change my registration as you are first reserve.

Hope that's OK. :blush:

[jasong]

Originally posted by willebenn
Ok, count me in. It should be cool enough by 3 Oct for me to turn on some systems. Right now it is still to frigging hot here, 90+ yesterday and more of the same today.
Ummm...October 3rd is 24 hours long. Do we have a specific time to start this? For instance, you could say that at 8am, in all time zones, start em up and run them until 8am 3 weeks later(which would test people's honesty, as well as how eager they are to get up on that day). Or we could start at EXACTLY the same time, which would mean that timezones become an issue in terms of when people go to bed.

Since it's probably going to be mostly the Americas(Mexico, United States, and Canada) and Europe, we should probably select a time that's in the evening for Europeans and in the morning for American's.

[redukt]

Family is cracking down on the power bill. I'm gonna have to say I'm out of this, as I'm not sure if I'll be able to run or not.

[Fozzie]

I'll get onto the Nordlichter chappies and swap you out for Dreamer.

[redukt]

Sorry! :(

[Fozzie]

power restrictions happen to us all.

Nature of the beast that is DC.

Hope you can keep some running.

Foz

[n7vxj]

Fozzie, I'm back from vacation.Somehow I missed this thread, so I need to know if you registered me? That way I know whether to pull my machines off of RC5, or not. :D

[Fozzie]

Free-DC Own FAD Gauntlet Team.

I'll be finalising all the details with the Nordlichter chaps and posting links etc.

Should be a good laugh.

Foz

[furballexpress]

can everyone confirm they are good to go for the whole 3 weeks with the majority or all the GHZ they can muster.

/me raises hand

HERE!

I can likely put a few more shrimps on the barby too. Not big new stuff, but a few more WU.

Is there a good catch-all link for this organized madness? :D

[Bok]

Fozzie,

you might want to put furballexpress in my place. Things are going to get hectic very very soon now..

Bok

[Fozzie]

the team is 15 strong after all.

Hope you can have a least a few GHZ on it if the sprog comes.

[PY 222]

When are we starting this gauntlet?

[jasong]

Originally posted by Fozzie
I believe that the gauntlet is restricted to teams of 15, which I have already regisered.

If anyone drops out I'll be sure to change my registration as you are first reserve.

Hope that's OK. :blush:
Actually, if you can confirm Dreamer is joining, I'll drop out. I'm down to only one computer anyway.

[LAURENU2]

Anybody know lemonsqzz ? He/she seems like they have a little power! :idea: We should ask them to join in :Pokes: :idea:

[Fozzie]

there doesn't seem to me to be many teams signing up.

Hope it won't be a non-starter.

Canm someone with a little more German skill check the nordlichter site just to check if I am wrong about this.

We may need to split the team into 2 and go for it like that.

[em99010pepe]

Originally posted by Fozzie
there doesn't seem to me to be many teams signing up.

Hope it won't be a non-starter.

Canm someone with a little more German skill check the nordlichter site just to check if I am wrong about this.

We may need to split the team into 2 and go for it like that.

See this (http://www.myactiveworlds.com/test/fad_g1/grouppage.php).

Carlos

[Dreamer]

Heehee!

I'd be scared, too!
Until I look down at Dreamer's stats..... lol

:Pokes:

[Jkusuda]

Maybe we scared everyone off! I think with our 15 the only team that might even give us a run is Russia. Otherwise, our 15 would demolish the other teams.

:cheers:

[Shish]

Mebbe we should give some of t`other teams a dig.
I know Ars has been increasing their production and there are several other regular teams, not sure if they`ve heard about it.

[PY 222]

Lets hope that there will be more participation in this gauntlet. :drums:

[Thor]

@ Fozzie

If you direct me to the right page, I'd be happy to translate ...

I skipped over their forum the other day but could not find any evidance that the gauntlet is called off...


Greets Thor

[mondobyte]

My fluency in German is pretty much limited to double Deutschen Thinken Talken.

I do have a Kraut generator from the late 80's but I suspect that would be more problematic than helpful.

Can someone spell out how I go about this ... in plain simple English ...

mondo

[mondobyte]

Let me see If I under stand dis korrectly ...


Dis ist more or less a "Fantasy FaD" league mitt firtual teams.

Ve don't actually khange memberschip in our r-r-real FaD teams.

R-r-right

(Courtesy of the Kraut Generator)

mondo

[LAURENU2]

Hiya Mondo:neener:
How you been? Are you going to play war with US I asked PU to play not sure if he will
I miss the 2 of you :|punch|:

[FluffyChicken]

:elephant:

[Fozzie]

8 or 10 members.

Like we did the Borg v Species 8472?

Looks like there may not be the interest that we thought there would.

Maybe we did frighten them all away.

[LAURENU2]

Looks like we win by default :swear:

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by Fozzie
8 or 10 members.

Like we did the Borg v Species 8472?

Looks like there may not be the interest that we thought there would.

Maybe we did frighten them all away.

If we do I want to be a borg The FED allways win :rotfl:
:idea: But I don't have any nodes to borg ?? can we borg other teams?:thumbs:

[tpdooley]

I've seen mention of people on some of the top 20 teams joining other groups for this gauntlet, so there seems to be at least some interest.

Good luck inspiring a few more to take part; even if it does mean visiting the top team's own forums and leaving challenges like was done prior to the recent BBQ.

[n7vxj]

Guys, I got problems!! I can't get my linux duallie to restart in linux!!What is the command I need to use? I thought it was ./server!!:bang:

[LAURENU2]

ouch linux BUMP

[PCZ]

So is the gauntlet on or off ?

Did we scare eveyone off ?

EDIT

Looks like its on
I will start up clients later today

[n7vxj]

I already took my machines off rc5, and put them back on FAD.The Grandkids are here, and I don't want to forget to do it!! ;)

[Fozzie]

All firing up as we speak.

Usual Monday :dump: should fingers crossed be ready to go.

[rjkc4]

Do we need to be starting new work units and stuff on Monday???

Kevin

[willebenn]

So this is a GO?
Wait, I thought it started Oct 3, but just checked the stats link posted above and there are already stats showing?
Are they going to reset for the offical start or did our team scare the other teams so bad they needed a handicap.:D

[n7vxj]

I just checked the numbers for Day1.Looks like we're starting off kicking butt!! :Pokes:

[Fozzie]

I think the stats will start at 17:00 GMT tomorrow.

I am sure getting your boxen sorted is fine by the rules as long as we don't have anyone storing loads beforehand.

I'll be dumping just like I normally do Monday morning before noon so my weekend work will be uploaded before we start just to ensure no-one thinks that is out of line.

[Dreamer]

WoW!

We really are kicking some serious butt!

http://www.myactiveworlds.com/test/fad_g1/grouppage.php

:cheers:

[PCZ]

Calm down Dreamer it hasn't started yet ;)

The numbers you see are our current scores.

You need to be running beforehand because it takes a while to get FAD scores flowing.
The jobs take can take days to finish so we need a rolling start.

[Dreamer]

Originally posted by PCZ
Calm down Dreamer it hasn't started yet ;)

The numbers you see are our current scores.

You need to be running beforehand because it takes a while to get FAD scores flowing.
The jobs take can take days to finish so we need a rolling start.

LOL!

You KNOW we are gonna kick a$$, even with my crappy stats dragging down the team... :blush:

Maybe I'll go set up the crap computer someone gave me the other day, it will probably add a whole 50 to my cpu rating, woohoo!

:jester:

[Fozzie]

as I know several of you will need to swing the GHZ over from other projects looks like the Norlichter guys are bang on the money and we are good to go.

So start heating those CPUs with some FaD.

Also remember there are 2 or more other pluses to this.

1. We :stomp: on the cows a bit more.

2. We close the gap to XPC some.

3. We benefit FaD with some high octane Free-DC crunching.

4. We show everyone that no-one and I mean no-one does a gauntlet like we do.

:cheers:

Let's fry 'em guys.:flame:

[PY 222]

How much do we need to be the Number 1 team or are we already number 1?

[Jkusuda]

DPAD final results sent in. Switching everything back to FaD. I've wanted to test the 4800x2 on it to see what it would get.

:cheers:

[willebenn]

Ok I see the stats page has been set back at zero, ready for the real start.
Let's go kick some serious arse. :thumbs:

[PCZ]

How much do we need to be the Number 1 team or are we already number 1?

1.184.546.025 points :rotfl:

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by PCZ
1.184.546.025 points :rotfl:
He is right we better get off our a$$ and get cracking:Pokes: :whip: :whip: :whip:

[PY 222]

How about for the gauntlet only?

[FluffyChicken]

Good luck in the gauntlet as if you fooking need it

I like the late team switch :bang:

But you may be supprised when the School comps get turned on muHAHHAHAHAHA


we should be so lucky

:drums:

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by FluffyChicken
Good luck in the gauntlet as if you fooking need it

I like the late team switch :bang:

But you may be supprised when the School comps get turned on muHAHHAHAHAHA


we should be so lucky

:drums:
:moon: :|party|: :moon: :jester:

[PY 222]

So, are we starting this today?

[em99010pepe]

Originally posted by PY 222
So, are we starting this today?

Yes. Don't forget to check the Individuals Gauntlet Ranking (http://www.myactiveworlds.com/test/fad_g1/individualspage.php?w=p).

Carlos

[Jkusuda]

Is it just me or are the scores at 0? Thought we were starting today.

:cheers:

[PY 222]

Maybe they only run the stats once every day?

Or then again... maybe they are not ready yet.

[n7vxj]

Well just checked, and still nothing in the stats for day one!!So whats the story, are they doing this thing, or not? :Pokes:

[Fozzie]

I'm sure the stats will catch up.

Keep the wus going guys, don't want any surprises.

Anyone want to nudge Bok as i see no production coming from his pharm.

[PCZ]

I am guessing that the stats will update at the end of each day,
Day 1 stats should be up after the 6PM GMT update.

[Bok]

Originally posted by Fozzie
I'm sure the stats will catch up.

Keep the wus going guys, don't want any surprises.

Anyone want to nudge Bok as i see no production coming from his pharm.

I'ev just had zero time to change anything over. Lots of stuff going on right now.

[Fozzie]

it's a 3 week gauntlet we might keep you in as super-sub.

[willebenn]

First day stats are up. Free-DC is first by a good margin.
Just have to keep up the pace. :elephant:

[PY 222]

I see stats and I am happy.

Moving DPAD fleet over to support the FaD fleet. :thumbs:

[Dreamer]

Yeah, baby!

Let's clean 'em out of WU's!

[VAIO GRX616]

Jeez, you DC boys really know how to crunch :notworthy

Here's hoping that DCZ can make it to second :D

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by willebenn
First day stats are up. Free-DC is first by a good margin.
Just have to keep up the pace. :elephant:

No No Not keep up the pace, ST Ep UP the pace:thumbs:

[PY 222]

Gauntlet stats are not updating again....

Who's server must I kick to get some stats. :trash:

[furballexpress]

/me throws YACPU (yet another CPU) on the fire...

[PCZ]

PY 222

The gauntlet stats only update once a day.
Around 19:00 GMT i think.

[willebenn]

Day 2 stats are up. Looking good.
They are posted about 1PM EDST.

[PCZ]

PY222 550k in one day


:notworthy

[PY 222]

Thanks PCZ for letting me know when the stats update.

I guess this gauntlet is a no show. We don't even need a full team to take 1st place.


:crazy:

[LAURENU2]

:notworthy PY 200 nodes OUCH:bs: I give up and :notworthy to your Power

:thumbs:>>>>> Go PY Go <<<<< :thumbs:
:allhail:

[PY 222]

Thanks Lauren but I don't think I have 200 nodes.

Where did you see this information?

[PY 222]

This gauntlet is a little of a let down since participation is so low on our competitors' end.

Such a shame. :bang:

[MAB]

Sorry, we had something else on our mind :D

[PCZ]

PY

I agree about the gauntlet.
My boxes have already moved back to Rosetta.

Perhaps you could swing a few over to Rosetta and try to catch Bok and myself..

[PY 222]

Originally posted by PCZ
PY

I agree about the gauntlet.
My boxes have already moved back to Rosetta.

Perhaps you could swing a few over to Rosetta and try to catch Bok and myself..

I'll definitely look into it.

I'll swing by the Rosetta's sub-forum when I bounce into BONIC trouble. :jester:

[LAURENU2]

Ya I almost feel like shutting down and going to Mexico for a week to let them catch up :cry:
Come on guys shake it up or I will go to sleep

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by LAURENU2

Come on guys shake it up or I will go to sleep


There will be some shaking today, don't worry ;)

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by ToshPower
There will be some shaking today, don't worry ;) :thumbs: :kiss: :thumbs:

[PY 222]

Originally posted by ToshPower
There will be some shaking today, don't worry ;)

Don't let us down Tosh. :thumbs:

[em99010pepe]

Originally posted by MAB
Sorry, we had something else on our mind :D

A D2OL dump?

Carlos

[MAB]

Originally posted by em99010pepe
A D2OL dump?

Carlos
Not particularly :rolleyes:

More an DPC 7th Anniversary MF at all projects :bouncy: :drums: :elephant: :jester: :|party|: :banana: :neener: :tramp: :music: :cow: :birthday:

Hope you can appreciate it :cheers:

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by PY 222
Don't let us down Tosh. :thumbs:

Well so far you MUST be pleased with us ;) :|party|:

[willebenn]

WOW, the DPC has dumped 6mil so far today plus 4.9 mil yesterday.
VERY nice. :thumbs: :notworthy
Not sure how this will show up in the gauntlet.

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by willebenn
WOW, the DPC has dumped 6mil so far today plus 4.9 mil yesterday.
VERY nice. :thumbs: :notworthy
Not sure how this will show up in the gauntlet.

It will probably have something to do with time differences, but our stats show we flushed 9.8m points ... we strarted flushen at 00.00 dis morning :)

http://fad.qik.nl

It won't show up in the gauntlet stats, cause we did not join :)

[Fozzie]

why not now don't we.

:moon:

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by Fozzie


:moon: [/B]

it looks a little sore, what happend, got scr**** :p

just kiddin, have a good gauntlet, but today is ours :)

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by ToshPower
it looks a little sore, what happend, got scr**** :p

just kiddin, have a good gauntlet, but today is ours :)
No that is the Free-DC tatoo we all have one look :moon:>>>:rotfl:

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by ToshPower
today is ours :) [/B]


And when i say ours, i mean 27.160.050 million points (http://stats.find-a-drug.biz/teams1.php) ours :moon:

:cheers:

[Fozzie]

now you're only 131 million behind.

If you can do that for the next 5 weeks we might start taking a good look at you guys.

Nice dumps elsewhere too.

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by ToshPower
And when i say ours, i mean 27.160.050 million points (http://stats.find-a-drug.biz/teams1.php) ours :moon:

:cheers:
I am looking at the returned jobs your members are sending in. They are from querys that are closed or have been closed for months . It is a wast to do theses jobs when they have already been done 2 or more time. Why are your members sitting on jobs for 2 to 4 months and then sending them in?:spank: :spank:

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
I am looking at the returned jobs your members are sending in. They are from querys that are closed or have been closed for months . It is a wast to do theses jobs when they have already been done 2 or more time. Why are your members sitting on jobs for 2 to 4 months and then sending them in?:spank: :spank:


Hmmm, most of us, and i would take a wild guess 90%, have been saving only for the last 4-6 weeks.
During that time there we took in account soon to be closed queries.

Sorry to see that some members didn't look close enough..

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by Fozzie
now you're only 131 million behind.

If you can do that for the next 5 weeks we might start taking a good look at you guys.



5 weeks... we'll take our time, that way it's more fun :p

[OldButNotSoWise]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
I am looking at the returned jobs your members are sending in. They are from querys that are closed or have been closed for months . It is a wast to do theses jobs when they have already been done 2 or more time. Why are your members sitting on jobs for 2 to 4 months and then sending them in?:spank: :spank:

I pay the electricity bill and own the computers that are crunching, so when I want to waste that, who will stop me :?

and no, I didn't joined this megaflush (this time), just wondering why a stranger tells me what to do with my money :crazy:

and for the rest :cheers:

[LAURENU2]

just wondering why a stranger tells me what to do with my money
OldButNotSoWise I did not tell you or your team what you can or can not do
I just gave my appinion thats all

[OldButNotSoWise]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
OldButNotSoWise I did not tell you or your team what you can or can not do
I just gave my appinion thats all

many, many, many years ago, my dear mother spanks me for one reason only, to tell me NOT to do things (again).


So :spank: this smilie was the reason to believe, that you was telling me and others wat not to do ;)


But DPC has a history in saving for megaflushes, this wil never stop, its a part of our way of crunching, if a project is not savingfriendly, so be it, but that can be no reason to give up our way of having fun with crunching.
Just be happy with the results that are unique and benefits the redundancy for the others :)

[n7vxj]

Interesting, DPC talks trash now, but yet they didn't have balls enough to get in on the gauntlet!!!So as far as I'm concerned there talk falls on deaf ears!!!There again too, lets look at the numbers!! How many active crunchers do they have, as opposed to what we have? I think those numbers speak for themselves!!http://www.free-dc.org/forum/smilies/moon.gif

[n7vxj]

Edited For accidental double post!!!:spank:

[MAB]

Originally posted by n7vxj
There again too, lets look at the numbers!! How many active crunchers do they have, as opposed to what we have? I think those numbers speak for themselves!!http://www.free-dc.org/forum/smilies/moon.gif

Quite right !
That's also the reason fdc will never catch TSC! Russia and you will be trampled on by us.
Just like an animal that will be destroyed by an army of ants.
Just outnumbered.
The numbers speak for themselves.

[n7vxj]

With 480 active crunchers, as opposed to our 41 active crunchers, according to Wo0's stats, I would sincerely hope you could catch us! If you can't with that many crunchers, I would be hiding my head in shame!!

[MAB]

Originally posted by n7vxj
With 480 active crunchers, as opposed to our 41 active crunchers, according to Wo0's stats, I would sincerely hope you could catch us! If you can't with that many crunchers, I would be hiding my head in shame!!

I expected the sarcasm in my reply was evident, but it seems it wasn't.
Perhaps your fellow members understand what I meant.
If not, so be it.

[iffy]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
I am looking at the returned jobs your members are sending in. They are from querys that are closed or have been closed for months . It is a wast to do theses jobs when they have already been done 2 or more time. Why are your members sitting on jobs for 2 to 4 months and then sending them in?:spank: :spank:
First of all you (should) know better than to complain about redundance issues, in every DC project there should for very good reasons be a (fair) amount of redundancy. As you well know FaD like others is designed that way.

I personally am bound to have contributed to those old jobs but for a reason. I run FaD on corporate puters, around 350 of them in 25 locations, average cpu rating of 59 (!), with over a 100 below 40 (!). And plenty of those are only turned on for a few hours a week. Therefor, regardless if I save or not, which I have done for the last 8 weeks, I will sometimes have results for closed jobs, unfortionate but that can't be helped. Of the 9.1 million I returned yesterday about 200k was in closed jobs so I "only" got 8.9 million. So yes I apperently send in closed queries, too bad, I'd rather have 200+ average cpu rating too on all my boxes but every bit counts, all for a good cause, right?

Nevertheless, if you think that doing a redundant job is a waste of time imho you fail to grasp the concept of distributed computing.

Happy crunching :)


Edit:

@n7vxj, although I can understand why you would react that way your wording is perhaps a little disrespectful of the thousand of little crunchers, it's been mentioned before but most of our (DPC) members have a very different profile than FDC crunchers, most are teenagers that have FaD running on a family puter that's only on for a couple of hours a day while they, or their little sister, is using MSN or something. No big farms, I'm the exception with perhaps half a dozen others but that shows in my score.

@All FDC members: I've noticed before that my fellow countrymen tend not to be very subtle when posting here, blame it on us Dutch being very direct and frank, English not being are native language and on the excitement of the moment. Or on the person posting of course, but it's more often the former reasons than the latter. Then again, I've seen the occasional taunt on our board as well, <insert wink to Fozzie here> :)

[em99010pepe]

When DPC is going to attack the BOINC projects and not run projects where it is possible to cheat like D2OL and TSC?

DPC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=dutch+power+cow) vs Free-DC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=free-dc)

Regards,

Carlos

[MAB]

Originally posted by em99010pepe
When DPC is going to attack the BOINC projects and not run projects where it is possible to cheat like D2OL and TSC?

DPC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=dutch+power+cow) vs Free-DC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=free-dc)

Regards,

Carlos

Are you cheating at those projects or is there another reason to change projects?

[[DPC]Mobster]

Originally posted by em99010pepe
When DPC is going to attack the BOINC projects and not run projects where it is possible to cheat like D2OL and TSC?

DPC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=dutch+power+cow) vs Free-DC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=free-dc)

Regards,

Carlos We are currently supporting over a dozen projects and we think it's wiser to play a bigger part in, say 12, projects then a minor role in 30 projects.

If one of our current projects would end you might see us pick up a 'BOINC-project'.
The fact that it might be possible to cheat on a certain project, is for most of us not a reason to quit or start it.

I also know that you're not implying that we kick your butt :moon: at these 'cheatable' projects because of those possibilities. :)

[MAB]

Originally posted by [DPC]Mobster
We are currently supporting over a dozen projects and we think it's wiser to play a bigger part in, say 12, projects then a minor role in 30 projects.

If one of our current projects would end you might see us pick up a 'BOINC-project'.
The fact that it might be possible to cheat on a certain project, is for most of us not a reason to quit or start it.

I also know that you're not implying that we kick your butt :moon: at these 'cheatable' projects because of those possibilities. :)

He could have fooled me :eek:
I can't think of another reason to post such a reply.
But as we say in the Netherlands : "Zoals de waard is, vertrouwt hij z'n gasten".

Very loosely translated as "You trust another like you act yourself".

I'm doing DC because this way I think I can help and cheating is not done.
I expect it from nobody, but if somebody implies that that's the reason I participate I get a little p****d off.
I also get a little p****d off when someone thinks more per person is better and tries to put down people with less.
At DPC we appreciate the little participants as well as the big ones.

Enough said.
End of story.

[Fozzie]

meant that DPC would cheat, just that it may be possible to. (news to me)

We are all here giving our time and electricity for ,hopefully, the good of us all in the future.

Having a big crunching team like DPC is good for any project, even more fun for us if you guys crunch the same project as we are concentrating on.

The last time we met in earnest Free DC spanked DPC, I'm sure DPC would like some payback in FAD, although when they had a stampede it ended up more a promenade.

Here's to everyone doing their best be they large or small pharmers. :cheers:

And here's to Free DC :spank: DPC whereever possible. :fozzie:

[iffy]

I guess I shouldn't draw any conclusions to you wanting to spank so much?

[LAURENU2]

Of the 9.1 million I returned yesterday about 200k was in closed jobs so I "only" got 8.9 million. So yes I apperently send in closed queries, too bad, I'd rather have 200+ average cpu rating too on all my boxes but every bit counts, all for a good cause, right?
iffy
A closed job means the FAD server is no longer sending out jobs for the query
But FAD lets you get points for it months after it is closed just so member do not feel they did the work for nothing

I just checked your returned jobs
Out of the 4366 job you sent in only 462 of them were still active
so you did 3,902 jobs that were closed
(93 job were from Query's closed in the end of June

So your closed jobs you sent in come to a lot more then 200K you are stating here

You all can do what you want, When you want, And where you want .
But it is still In MY opinion It IS wasted work and time to do a job that closed in July.

[MAB]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
iffy etc.

Bit strange, because, as far as I can recall, the last time he flushed was on the 8th of August.
And I suppose then he downloaded the ones he flushed the last time.

But I expect him to react on your reply.

[iffy]

Your conclusion is false for the simple reason that when I started those jobs, and finished them, they were still active. I can hardly download jobs from a query that is closed. If you have jobs on 99% completed and the query is completed do you delete that job? I don't think so. I purged every day to reduce redundancy but I had to keep a little queue. Most jobs are from a very recently completed query. In FaD terms there is a difference between a closed and a completed query. The latter are announced on the FaD forums and do not receive any points, that's usually about 4 to 8 weeks after the query is completed to allow people to complete jobs already started. What I don't understand if that you say that in your opinion a computer, say a P2 350 with 28 cpu rating that is only on for 5 to 10 hours a week can't do jobs? They will take 2 to 4 months, and unfortionately sometimes fail to receive points but as said before, redundancy is a MUST for distributed computing, you have to have it, it's designed that way, it's not a flaw. It's your believe that only a frontline runner is a valid player that is flawed imho. But I could go on explaining this for quite a while but somehow I have the feeling you don't grasp the concept, or don't want to. Perhaps a fellow FDC member can fill you in in different words than I can, could be that we're talking to each other but not hearing the other... shrug.. anyway... happy crunching and remember, we do this for fun...

BTW.. you should be glad to know that my connection plan is back to every 12h now that the mega anniversary save & flush is done.

@MAB: I purged and added new jobs to the queue (almost) daily, as can be seen from my returned jobs.

PS.. took a quick glance and saw that you too uploaded jobs today that are completed, or in your words closed, such a waste :)

[TeeJay]

Originally posted by iffy
.. anyway... happy crunching and remember, we do this for fun...
[/B]

Well stated IFFY !
After all, it is just a hobby...:drums:

[LAURENU2]

PS.. took a quick glance and saw that you too uploaded jobs today that are completed, or in your words closed, such a waste
OUCH I did have 2 jobs out of the 144 I turned in that are from a closed Query that ended 2 days ago.
I realy can not see how you can compaire that to doing 3 month old work

But who am I to say what you should do or what you should work on

[Dreamer]

Hmmmm......

I never realized before this conversation that some of my work could be redundant and pretty much unnecessary! I am using my electricity for the "common good" out of the goodness of my heart, but why should I do that if some of the jobs that I return are already finished? That totally sucks... I don't want to waste my computers time or electricity on that.... I would prefer to do something that will be useful.

I looked at the molecules that are being worked on and a lot of them are scheduled to close in a few days. Soooooo.... before I dl a job, am I going to have to look to make sure that the molecule will still be "active" when I expect to return my results?

Should I look for another project to concentrate on, or are they all like that?????

I don't have a lot of computers, but will be setting up some more very shortly. Don't wanna waste my time, just to "get points." I would prefer to be doing some useful science.....

[LAURENU2]

Dreamer
It is as iffy said all DC projects have and need redundancy as a check
And with FAD if you let it purge on it's own when you receive new work or DL one job at a time when the server needs new work like on auto. But if you DL hundreds of jobs and keep them the redundancy can go up
If you have a slow PC and a Query is 90% done I would move to another query if you do not want to add to the redundancy

[iffy]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
OUCH I did have 2 jobs out of the 144 I turned in that are from a closed Query that ended 2 days ago.
I realy can not see how you can compaire that to doing 3 month old work
You still seem to fail to grasp what is happening, it's impossible to start jobs that are finished when you have purging enabled so it's impossible to start working on "old jobs". Your perception point is wrong, the point of reference is the time the job is started, the finished time, or even the uploaded time, is rather irrelevant especially when the query where the job is part of finishes while you're calculation the job. But let's try again.

You say so yourself that it's normal and common to have that happen. Now my point is that when you downloaded that job, the query was unfinished (and thus open), you calculated and finished it, in the mean time the query was also finished (but not closed since results are accepted and points handed out for 4 to 8 weeks after finishing), so far nothing special happened and we're in agreement about how things go.

But now I do not send in that result for 8 weeks, what does it matter, the query is finished anyway, so no new jobs will be issued, so it does not matter if I uploaded the result of a finished query 1 minute after it finishes or 2 months after it finishes, that itself does NOT add to the redundancy.

The only reason redundancy happens is when jobs are in the queue, FaD is not working on them and they are not (yet) (automatically) purged. Once started there is no stopping this process, and I hope you agree with me it's ridiculous to stop a job already running because the query is finished or even more silly to delete a finished job to prevent it from being uploaded, I can't imagine you'd do that.

@Dreamer: redundancy is always present in every DC project, to make you feel good, FaD has a very low redundancy rate, UD Grid typically has a 1:20 ratio or worse from all that I've read. On the site of Team Anandtech you can see job details.

With this link it shows Laurens jobs for example:
http://fad.tastats.com/show_nodes_1.php?userid=LAURENU2

In the 4th column (job) you see the name of the query and between () the number of times the job was calculated, ranges from 1 or 2 to over a 100 (!!) times.

See this link for example, a job Lauren recently finished and uploaded:
http://fad.tastats.com/show_similar_work.php?p=1DXP-Q1&j=m4078&u=LAURENU2

Interestingly it shows that Lauren ran the same job on three different nodes, PY 222 even on 12 different nodes if I counted correctly.

Not the really interesting thing that these pages show is the number of different hits for the the same job by different people. As of yet I have failed to understand how this can happen, since if the calculations are purely mathimatical I would think that the result is always the same but apperently not so. But, since, apparently the same job can have different hits, and therefor results I assume, you now immediately see the reason for a bit of redundancy, it's needed to find the final correct (?) result and to filter possibly bad results. So as said before, distributed computing projects are designed this way for good reason, it's not some flaw.

[Dreamer]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
Dreamer
It is as iffy said all DC projects have and need redundancy as a check
And with FAD if you let it purge on it's own when you receive new work or DL one job at a time when the server needs new work like on auto. But if you DL hundreds of jobs and keep them the redundancy can go up
If you have a slow PC and a Query is 90% done I would move to another query if you do not want to add to the redundancy

Redundancy is good, don't them send each wu through twice? If they are submitting a third WU, then, isn't that too much????

I noticed on my slow computer that when I had a job in the queue and I sent in my results and got another job, sometimes one or two of the jobs already in my queue would disappear. I thought that was strange.... that it wouldn't let me hold the a queue if I updated it, but that didn't happen all the time. Now, I understand what is happening..... That computer is left on all the time and only connects to the net when I use it, usually once a day, on average. So, I like to keep a few jobs in the queue, so if they run fast, the computer doesn't run out of work before I have a chance to get it online...

I have read that the results from overclocked computers are not always accurate, so doing a WU more than once is good....

I will have to keep up on what is going on over there, so I am not working on closed projects. I guess it would nice if they had more molecules going at once, so they won't close so quickly....

[iffy]

The strange thing in the queue you noticed is the purging algorithm of FaD, whenever it connects it removes jobs from your queue that others have finished to reduce redundancy. That result from overclocked computers are not correct seems very unlickely since it would suggest that bits get screwed up in those puters which would mean that everything on those puters get screwed up which of course isn't the case since a large percentage of puters in world are overclocked and run perfectly fine. As far as I know there is no FaD God that punishes people for overclocking ;)

[THINK]

LAURENU2 is correct. When a job has a result returned, it is removed from the list of jobs available for download to other members and will be purged if it is waiting to be run. In other words, even if a member has completed a job (and the result is waiting on their PC) until it has been received and checked by us it will continue to be downloaded by other members. This has the inevitable consequence of increasing redundancy - although it would only have a significant impact if lots of members stopped returning jobs shortly after they completed.

FYI: Although some DC projects use a single server with a transaction processing model to allocate, track etc which jobs are downloaded by each member. Find-a-Drug does not. It uses multiple servers so that a server or Internet problem does not inhibit the ability of members to download jobs or return results. That said, we have added code to track which members download jobs but we don't use it ... just because a member has downloaded a job doesn't mean that they will run it! There is an argument to limit the number of times a job is downloaded but that is not currently the case until a result is returned!

We publish our redundancy leves which tend to be low except for a small number of jobs which are downloaded shortly before the query completes. Some redundancy is useful for checks.

[LAURENU2]

Thank you THINK for your insight I have learned a lot from reading all your post over the years


Interestingly it shows that Lauren ran the same job on three different nodes, PY 222 even on 12 different nodes if I counted correctly.

I believe Fad sends out a job every now and then to use as a check mark (benchmark)
And as you can see Py and myself do run fast pharm. And I myself have done 35% more jobs then any other member of FAD.
These all factor in why we have run the same job on different servers

Oh yes one last thing the DB at http://fad.tastats.com is incomplete it does not list all the redundancy of the jobs in the past
Try http://fadstats.com/ instead much more info

[LAURENU2]

Go PY Go
:shocked: 48 % of or output this morn from PY:shocked:

Py you keep going like that and you will over take Agafonov by the end of the Gauntlet :Pokes: :kiss: And ME by Xmas:Pokes: Do not stop now PU is just a short time after that
GO PY GO :cheers: :thumbs: :cheers:
:allhail:

[PY 222]

Thanks Lauren :D

I think I'll slow down once I get to 100 meelion. The Gauntlet was a little let down as I thought it would be a nail biting affair. Guess not.

I am moving to Rosetta once I get to my 100 million milestone so I can stomp :fozzie:

[LAURENU2]

Congrats PY on makeing your pass to 4th place :cheers: For now! Agafonov_KY will porb. :dump: again tomarrow and give you another Mil or so to catch up on

[n7vxj]

Congrats PY!! What the heck's Rosetta? Sounds interesting!!!:Pokes:

[PY 222]

Originally posted by n7vxj
Congrats PY!! What the heck's Rosetta? Sounds interesting!!!:Pokes:

http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/

Check out the BOINC forum and in there resides the Rosetta@Home sub-forum.

Check it out if you are interested. :thumbs:

[LAURENU2]

Can we we hit 45 Mil by day 21 ?:thumbs:

[French Fry]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
Can we we hit 45 Mil by day 21 ?:thumbs:

Nah you need to do better, take it up another notch or something...:looney:

[LAURENU2]

Well 4 days left and it stands at 34991587
Any Bets on what the end score will be?

OK post here what the end score will be! the closest will get a Free FAD/Team shirt
Only for Free-DC team members :thumbs:

[PY 222]

My guess will be 42,192,436.

Lets see if I win. :cheers:

[[DPC]Mobster]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
Well 4 days left and it stands at 34991587
Any Bets on what the end score will be?

OK post here what the end score will be! the closest will get a Free FAD/Team shirt
Only for Free-DC team members :thumbs: I wouldn't want to be caught dead in such a shirt ;)

Do you have any pics of those? DPC also has some cool shirts.

[Fozzie]

a bit of an extra :dump: today.

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by [DPC]Mobster
I wouldn't want to be caught dead in such a shirt ;)

Do you have any pics of those? DPC also has some cool shirts.

You got that right I would shoot any cow that even touched a Free-DC shirt
Ya I heard about theses DPC shirts they have a hole in them for all the cow dung to come out of
But I not sure if even they know what end it is Because Cow dung seems to comes from both ends it seems:rotfl: :cow: :viking:

[[DPC]Mobster]

At least we're producing something :P

[LAURENU2]

Yep Old jobs that you saved up and cow dung:dump:

[Dreamer]

lol, Lauren!!!!!!!!

Let's see if I can win another contest.... Still working on getting my parts put together from the last one!

Not much competition.... No one interested?????

My guess: 43,004,927

At least we are competing, don't know what's up with those lazy cows......

[n7vxj]

O.K., my guess is 44,586,312.See how close I get!!:D :cheers:

[TeeJay]

43.113.630
:rolleyes:

[LAURENU2]

Day 19 and it is at 39113281 Get your totals in:|party|:

[Dreamer]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
Day 19 and it is at 39113281 Get your totals in:|party|:

Is there a cutoff for posting totals?

[LAURENU2]

End Score 44,172,551

And n7vxj wins a Free-DC/FAD T-shirt with his guess of 44,586,312 :thumbs:
n7vxj send me your shipping Address in a PM

Man PY you were Cooking:notworthy your output was more then the totals of the teams below us

[Dreamer]

WooHoo!

Congrats to n7vxj! And to PY, wow! Too bad we didn't make the 45 mil....

Oh well.... it sure would have been nice to have had some more competition. We really cleared a lot of molecules!

:cheers:

[n7vxj]

w00t!! Way to cool! I'll wear it proudly!!!!Like always, Free-DC kicked some :moon: :Pokes:

[ToshPower]

Mighty fine gauntlet lads! Congrats!

But still, DPC did 7 miljon more this month... :|party|: :p

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by ToshPower
Mighty fine gauntlet lads! Congrats!

But still, DPC did 7 miljon more this month... :|party|: :p
Your little saved up dumps did not impress me:moon:
If I saved up jobs for 3 months like a few of your members did I would dump
25,330.220 points .
You started out the month with a dump and had a lead of 29 mil now 3 weeks later
you only have a lead of 12,787,124 points
Again not vary impressive:jester:

[ToshPower]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
Your little saved up dumps did not impress me:moon:
If I saved up jobs for 3 months like a few of your members did I would dump
25,330.220 points .
You started out the month with a dump and had a lead of 29 mil now 3 weeks later
you only have a lead of 12,787,124 points
Again not vary impressive:jester:

but the two months before that we also did 4 million more... while we were saving!

:elephant:

[LAURENU2]

Well you know what happens to a balloon when you release it runs out of air and falls back to the ground.
Only time will tell if your team can keep it up or NOT
Not I am not saying your team does not have the power to over take us
But signing up 1260 members and the loosening 1107 of them does not show promise to me
Or are all inactive members saving up 1 or 2 jobs each to try to impress us in a Big dump again:rotfl: <<>>:rotfl:

[furballexpress]

Was it me, or did laurenu2 just say something about pissing in tall weeds with big dogs? I wasn't really sure there...

:rotfl:

Either way, we will see, won't we?

[[DPC]Mobster]

It's same old song to me. No matter. I like the classics :)

[LAURENU2]

Originally posted by furballexpress
Was it me, or did laurenu2 just say something about pissing in tall weeds with big dogs? I wasn't really sure there...

:rotfl:

Either way, we will see, won't we?

not pissing dumping :dump: >:rotfl: <>:rotfl:

[ToshPower]

It seems the chance to compete on this project is comming to an end on the 16th of december...

http://www.find-a-drug.org.uk/news.html

:(

[MAB]

Originally posted by em99010pepe
When DPC is going to attack the BOINC projects and not run projects where it is possible to cheat like D2OL and TSC?

DPC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=dutch+power+cow) vs Free-DC BOINC (http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/index.php?searchmember=&searchteam=free-dc)

Regards,

Carlos

Why did we have to join BOINC-projects, when it seems just as easy to cheat over there as you said it was with the other projects :crazy:

Example :

http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=351

[em99010pepe]

Originally posted by MAB
Why did we have to join BOINC-projects, when it seems just as easy to cheat over there as you said it was with the other projects :crazy:

Example :

http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=351

I don't run BOINC projects. I hate them. I think it's possible to cheat in almost every project that's why I don't believe anymore in DC projects. The question I make is: is it possible to cheat on the math ones? I'm running one as independent and I do believe it's impossible to cheat.

What's your opinion about the math projects?

Carlos