Thank you for contributing to rosetta@home!!

[David Baker]

Hello All!

Bok invited me to join your forum. It is fantastic how much you have contributed to
our project! Looking at Bok's stats page, I see that your team has earned more than twice as many credits today than any other team. Keep up the great work!

Happy Thanksgiving!

David

[PY 222]

Heya David, thanks for stopping by our hole.

Shouldn't you be having turkey right now.

Happy Turkey Day.

[LAURENU2]

Thank you David for stopping in Yes this is a strong team I myself like others are not
fully Up to power yet But when we all do focus here I am sure that you will be impressed
David
Do you have any idea on how long this project will run or if it will complete

[David Baker]

Originally posted by LAURENU2
Thank you David for stopping in Yes this is a strong team I myself like others are not
fully Up to power yet But when we all do focus here I am sure that you will be impressed
David
Do you have any idea on how long this project will run or if it will complete

my prediction is that rosetta will run longer than any other current DPC project--we have greater scientific need for computing power than anybody else, and more resources (funding) to keep things going. so the answer is as close to "forever" as is reasonable to say.

[PY 222]

Originally posted by David Baker
my prediction is that rosetta will run longer than any other current DPC project--we have greater scientific need for computing power than anybody else, and more resources (funding) to keep things going. so the answer is as close to "forever" as is reasonable to say.

We will definitely try to give you as much computing power as possible. Just keep your servers up and get the work ready.

Rest assured.

[Bok]

Thanks David!

Bok

[Jeff]

Thanks David(and Mr. Bok)!

[[DPC]Mobster]

Originally posted by David Baker
my prediction is that rosetta will run longer than any other current DPC project--we have greater scientific need for computing power than anybody else, and more resources (funding) to keep things going. so the answer is as close to "forever" as is reasonable to say.

I know that us cows are one of the greatest teams out there, but by calling a project in which we participate a DPC-project is even too much credit for us

[MAB]

Originally posted by [DPC]Mobster
I know that us cows are one of the greatest teams out there, but by calling a project in which we participate a DPC-project is even too much credit for us

Mobster, you clever dicky

[Fozzie]

we had barely noticed.

[MAB]

Originally posted by Fozzie
we had barely noticed.

Well, somebody did. I believe he calls himself David Baker

[n7vxj]

Hummm...where I come from, thats called a major typo!!!!

[LAURENU2]

Hello All!

Bok invited me to join your forum. It is fantastic how much you have contributed to
our project! Looking at Bok's stats page, I see that your team has earned more than twice as many credits today than any other team. Keep up the great work!

Happy Thanksgiving!

David

David
I think you need to put a muzzle on one of your moderator (Bill Michael)
His crude reply will be of little benefit to your project
I my self have turned OFF all 65 of my PC's that ran your project because of the uncalled for remarks Bill Michael made toward me in your forum Thread

[ladypcer]

Yep, he was kind of rude. I think sometimes modship goes to people's heads.

He did offer this explanation though-

Windows ME is not supported by Rosetta. Seems it doesn't report CPU times back to the application correctly.

Not sure if you saw it.

[the-mk]

...
because of the uncalled for remarks Bill Michael made toward me in your forum http://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/fo...hp?id=680#7137

I don't know if it is the upgraded forum software, but that link doesn't work...

[Bok]

It's because it went over the number of characters allowed on a line and automatically truncated.

I've edited it to fix.

Bok

[EvoDude]

Lauren, I'm with you on his attitude and left him my own thoughts as follows:-

That was a really helpful response Bill, not! Have you checked the input that the project is getting from Lauren? I'm not sure you fully understand the role of moderator, voluntary or otherwise. Moderatorn a person who presides over at a public or legislative assembly. You are there to handle complaints or problems - not to exagerate them.
If you read his post you will see that he clearly states that he is a plumber and has little or no technical expertise in the computing field. Why didn't you carefully explain what details you require and how to get them, you may then have got the information you required. Instead you have managed to drive away a volunteer who gave the project a heck of a lot of crunching power.

[black_civic55]

wow yea i read that and you sure do have a reason to take all ur xomputers off this project. How can someone have an attitude like that and expect people to contribute? What a prick.

[Bok]

Please remember that he does not speak for the project or the university, he's just a moderator on the boards...

However I added my thoughts to that post too..

Bok

[EvoDude]

And the attitude just gets worse. Now someone with a list of titles like Forum moderator, Project developer & Project scientist comes back with a really helpful response

This thread has got very off-topic

This thread has got very unhelpful is my main thought. How do R@H ever expect to keep volunteers with this sort of attitude. Somehow I think that Lauren will not be alone in leaving them to it.

[Bok]

In all fairness to Jack though, the thread has got very off-topic and I'm just as guilty of that on it. It was supposed to be about reporting stuck work units

Personally I would have just split the thread out into two and moved the other pieces to an off-topic/lounge forum, but of course there isn't one over there...

Bok

[EvoDude]

In all fairness to Jack though, the thread has got very off-topic and I'm just as guilty of that on it. It was supposed to be about reporting stuck work units

Personally I would have just split the thread out into two and moved the other pieces to an off-topic/lounge forum, but of course there isn't one over there...

Bok

Looks like he has done just that - all our posts have been moved to here
Still no response to our views/thoughts though. Surprise, surprise!

[LAURENU2]

Thank you all for sticking up of what is right
If I did come out with any kind of rude attitude It was due to to all the frustration I was having with all the stuck time clocks, and that I kept getting all the DEFAULT WU's that I thought were BAD. Two days of that and I was pulling my hair out

Bok you were right on the mark with your post over there

a moderator should show a lot more care in replies than the day to day user

And the sad part he can not grasp that.
After the New Years I will looking to find a new Battle front to work on with the Team
But Till then I will relaxer and enjoy the Holly days

[ladypcer]

I'll be interested to see what project you choose, Lauren.
Maybe I'll join you, as I'm a little disenchanted with most Boinc projects due to the benchmark/points/quorum structures, or lack there of.

[em99010pepe]

LAURENU2,

Forget Rosetta. There are out there a bunch of projects.
In the small ones you have educated leaders/moderators.

Carlos

[Exci]

I'm here again to try and keep Free-DC in first place, even though it keeps me in second.

Big picture. . David Baker and David Kim don't have any idea what is going on on the boards. DK knows about the WU problems, he just ran out of time before his plane trip out of town. Jack has been holding down the fort, but he's out of town today as well.

The project made a mistake with the new wu's. They shouldn't have done it a week before the entire team went on holiday. They have taken responsibility for these problems, notified everyone what is causing the problems, and you'll see some serious action taken by the lab when they return in force in a week or so. A scientist who goes to half a dozen team boards to solicit help isn't going to let it go easily.

R@H has given them 10x the CPUs they had in house, CPU's that were the foundation of their field-leading research. Short of giving away first borns, they are going to do whatever it takes to get things right. This project is only a couple months old. In July we were only planning on a couple hundred clients. . maybe more if the dorm residents latched on. . what actually happend is several orders of magnitude larger and I think they did pretty well until last week.

Please don't substitute an idvididual's comments as a response from the Rosetta team. Without taking sides, a message board is the worst place to try and resolve a conflict. . which is too bad since it's so easy to mis-interpret each other.

If you feel two weeks of sub-par performance, in addition to the other issues they have recognized and said they would address (credit computation, 1% hang, etc) are enough reason to leave the project, cool, I gave it a shot I just hope a thread on the message board with two groups taking sides, one of which has a moderator tag, isn't going to be the determining factor in the largest team leaving R@H.

If anyone wants to chat about the whole situation offline. . feel free to email me at eko at u.washington.edu

-Ethan

[Bok]

I don't think it's that bad exci, and I appreciate you posting over here. One bad moderator isn't going to change many people's feelings. I still feel strongly about the project and think David B, David K et al have done and are doing a great job. I just have little confidence in those forums anymore, but that's nothing to worry about.

Mistakes are made. I work in the IT field troubleshooting problems on unix, mainframe and windows, mainly in financial software. I've made a few mistakes which are a LOT worse than this.. so I do understand

We'll be staying #1, unless the DPC ramp up a bit more that is.....

Bok

[Angus]

I've moved my farm CPUs off BOINC/R@H as well.

That particlar moderator has an abrasive manner that crops up constantly, and not just on the R@H boards. There are many comments he's made that should never be made by a moderator. Very in-appropriate choice, IMO.

[EvoDude]

Thanks Lauren, glad to support you. Have a great Christmas.

[LAURENU2]

I've moved my farm CPUs off BOINC/R@H as well.

That particlar moderator has an abrasive manner that crops up constantly, and not just on the R@H boards. There are many comments he's made that should never be made by a moderator. Very in-appropriate choice, IMO.

No Angus you were going so well to This was My beef I did not expect or want any one Else to pull there power . it was nice that all the team members stood up for what they thought was right. But to pull any more power from this project will not solve or fix any thing .
I have no real beef with Rosetta And I do understand thing do not always work as they should
PLEASE nobody else pull any more power from this project Please

[Shish]

It`s not that I want to pull any power, but after trying just about every setting, I have 1 rig with nothing and messages saying last something too recent, 1 rig with next to nothing and the same message, and 1 rig which has an enormous cache and no problems getting work. I also have 2 more new duals ready to go but with these problems I don`t want to waste electric having machines sit idle.
Personally, I think a board that has that kind of attachement to a project needs the project to have a word in their ear before they alienate any more people.
This is DC and for fun and open warfare is not supposed to be a part of it and anybody with a mod tag should have a bit more sense or sensibility or find something else to occupy their time.

[Bok]

Let's give them a little time though to fix the problems. It is the holidays and people are on vacation after all.

Yes, they made some mistakes, everyone does that once in a while. Let's see if they rectify them though..that's the true test..

Shish, try detaching, then re-attaching. It always works, the bad units should be almost flushed through now, hell I went through at least 50 of them

Oh and let's hope for a 4-3 in our favour this time come Monday, yeah ? Match is on live here, I'll be watching with a couple of cold ones!

Bok

[LAURENU2]

OUCH 199 K for team output today. That is one heck of a lot of power
PY is making up of my absents
Go Team Go

[mrwizer]

We'll be staying #1, unless the DPC ramp up a bit more that is.....

Bok

Or maybe Anandtech...

You guys just challenged us, dont let the production die down now. Although Free-Dc is way above us right now in daily production and TC, it is a goal to shoot for. And I would hate to see a good team back away because of the comments of one mod.

And by the way, great stats Bok, it is a service to the DC community!

[Bok]

Well ,

good to see you over here. I'll enjoy watching TA ramp up too Looks like the RA are doing pretty good now, be interesting to see what Team Enterprise do to follow.....

Stats are always good, I enjoy writing them.. keep watching for more!

Bok

[CaptainMooseInc]

Woohoo! Boycot Rosetta!

I've been debating over the past month whether or not to try out R@H when I get my new dualie built. After reading the posted messages on their forums I've decided that R@H will never -EVER- get even 1 CPU cycle from me.

Moderator or not you don't put some immature (acting) person as a moderator. If I would've had the same problem as LAURENU2 then I would've said something...but mine would've been on a 1 computer scale. His, on the other hand, is widespread across multiple systems which gives a very good base to start looking for problems when THAT many systems start going haywire.

Take that R@H. Get your mods under control. And F*@# you, you've given me another reason not to try out the BOINC platform ever again.

-Jeff

[the-mk]

...
Take that R@H. Get your mods under control. And F*@# you, you've given me another reason not to try out the BOINC platform ever again.
...

I know that some of you are disappointed about Rosetta, but you could have said that a bit more polite... at least its christmas time! Peace!

Have a nice christmans eve!

[Shish]

OK, I`ve detached and reattached all the machines and it seems OK so I`ll keep the 3 machines on for now and add another after Xmas.
The last one picked up a passle of virus`s (virii) after I installed some software off a MoS MP3 player (legit disk...barstewards) and the spybot stuff, which I ignored initially, then went to town on downloading and installin virii which Norton caught but knacked up the filesystem with a rootkit etc., so that`s also had a full disk wipe and re-install (took all night but that`s rootkits for you....was in the disk tables and everywhere) and is presently doing a database integrate and synch which will take a couple days (my new 10Gb network streamer....boy is that fast and mucho bandwidth....beauty).
So, apart from getting the goose and chicken stuffed and marinaded and the leg of pork (been steeping for near a week) seasoned, that`s me until tomorrow.......sober and zero drugs for Xmas and New Year
Might risk a glass or 2 of Chateau Neuf tomoorow though, shouldn`t show on the test in 2 weeks time.

Joyeux Noel one and all, keep it safe on the roads and enjoy your family and friends......

[PCZ]

Calm down there folks.

Remember why we are doing this Project.
We like the Science and we like the attitude of the folks running the project.

Now we have had a falling out with a mod, not the Scientists running the project.

My best advice is to let it be known we are not happy with the mod in question and have marked his card.

Lauren
Take a few days off and chill.

[Bok]

Exactly PCZ.

CM, you are getting a bit close to the line there. Please don't slam the project for one small thing. They have still done extremely well for a start up program and are continuing to do well.

If you don't like the project, then it's your prerogative to not run it. If you've never even tried the BOINC platform then in my opinion you are missing out. Sure, in it's early days it was buggy, but it's matured now. Still got some faults, but for the main part it works well and in combination with Boincview (which is only possible because they built in RPC to the boinc client) it's very easy to monitor multiple machines across differing architectures.

Bok