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    If all goes as planned tonight, Thursday morning should see the site in it's new format on a new host. I've decided to move the site from my house to a data center. This should ensure that there are never any connectivity or speed problems. Once I decided to make the move, it seemed like a reasonable time to migrate away from the old site design to the new one. There is, however, a catch...

    The new site design isn't finished. The customization stuff still needs to be completed, some new themes need to be added, new matching forum skins need to be created, and I've got a bunch of 'plugins' to finish as well.

    So...for now the new site is going to be pretty limited. You'll find that some things don't work quite as expected. Don't worry about that, though, it's a work in progress and it'll be getting finished as we go along.

    So, now that you know what's going on, you should probably find something to hang on to, this could get a little rough!

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    Well, I'm starting to see people in this (the new) version of the board, so I guess the DNS settings are propagating.

    Is anyone having any trouble?
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    Hi,

    great work Dyyryath! Looking really good.

    Just two things I noticed (Well, I know size doesn't matter, but ... ):

    The edit box I'm just using to type this message is rather small. There was a bigger version of it before, I remember.

    Second would be the Iframe on the homepage, that seems to be drawn with absolute size (400 pixel). Would it be possible to give it a relative height? It's looking rather small on my sceen (1400x1050) while there is plenty of free space below the "Design by Dyyryath, 2003" line (btw, make that a 2004 )

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    ooooohhhh, shiny!!!

    Looks great


    edit: one thing- is the STATS button on the main page supposed to go anywhere yet? It doesn't seem to...
    Last edited by rshepard; 02-12-2004 at 07:43 AM.

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    It's freakin' cool Dyyryath!

    One little "bug" I found: the textarea input field in the forum (when you create a reply) has become small again. At least it is in Firefox...
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    Thumbs up looks really great, but there are some issues

    Where is the login-button on the frontpage if my username isn't cookied? I can see a username-field, a password-field, but there is no button "login"... I can press enter, but there is no reaction.... need to enter the ./forum/ to login...

    With Internet Explorer 6 it's looking good, but there are some issues with Mozilla 1.5 and 1.6: The "Forum Threads"-links on the frontpage have a different font than in IE6, maybe a CSS-issue...

    And the messagebox where I write this text at the moment is very small! Please enlarge (it's in the "Modern"-theme, in the "Legacy"-theme it's big enough)

    cygnussphere is missing one the "Contacts"-list on the frontpage.

    [EDIT]In the "Projects"-section on the frontpage... you should open a new window if someone clicks on the project-linkgs[/EDIT]

    But the rest looks cool! Great work Dyy!

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    Most of these are things on the 'to-do' list. I warned you that it wasn't done yet.

    I'll be working on that list over the next couple of days, but keep the suggestions coming in case you find something I didn't notice myself.

    the-mk: I'm not sure what you mean about the links under Mozilla. In fact, I've only briefly checked the site under IE. Every stitch of development was actually done under Galeon (Mozilla renderer).

    Can you post a screenshot of the problem?

    Also, the login box on the homepage won't work yet. I haven't finished writing the code to connect it to the vbulletin backend.
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    wirthi: The iframe will be customizable soon. You'll be able to set it's length & width. You'll also be able to set the left hand column's width. It's one of the page options that I haven't finished coding yet.
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    rshepard: Yup, the 'Stats' button is going to go somewhere, but the page for it isn't finished yet. Soon, though...
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    Alright, the edit boxes should be big again.

    One down, 52,384 more to go.
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    much better to write in a larger edit-box

    Here are the screenshots from the Internet Explorer 6 and Mozilla 1.5 (both on W2k SP4):

    http://the-mk.dbestern.net/pics/internetexplorer.png
    http://the-mk.dbestern.net/pics/mozilla.png

    Could you give us some details about the new host of www.free-dc.org?
    the-mk

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    I can't replicate the font problem, but I may have fixed it. Check it for me, will you?

    The new hosting is through these guys:

    http://www.imhosted.com

    We're on the 'Standard' package which, with a static IP costs about $16/mo. So far, I'm really pleased with it. The speed is good and they have all of the tools I needed to make the site work (MySQL, PHP, Perl, etc). On top of that (and most importantly to me), I've got SSH shell access to the server which makes my life MUCH easier than it would have been otherwise. Of course, if you don't know enough to use a shell account, their control panel is absolutely fantastic as well.

    All in all, I think it's going to be a good fit for us. After we've been on it for a bit, I'll decide what to do about my Arachnid stats stuff. I'm thinking about a major overhaul (and possible move) for them, too.
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    Dyyryath,

    want to run them off my dedicated server ?

    It's in a secure datacentre. A P4 2.4 (HT) running RH9 (yuk), but there is plenty of space, I get 1000GB transfer per month and have root access.

    Let me know and I'll give you a shell account.

    Bok

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    That's an interesting idea...and it might go along with something else I've been considering. I'll email you about it tonight.
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    I have a dedicated server, same setup as Boks P4 2.4 HT, 1gb RAM, 120GB HD, and 1000GB bw/mo. What kind of backbones you have Bok? My datacenter runs through AboveNET and XO.
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    Well, until I have time to sit down and put it all in an email tonight, let me just put this out there for consideration:

    Are you guys interested in 'collaborating' on one 'unified' stats system? A single system built around a project-agnostic database backend with a MySQL/SOAP/XML/whatever interface for any rendering front end (remote or local) that we'd like to write might be neat way of doing things. That's sort of how my current system works, but I've learned enough playing with it to realize that it needs some modifications that probably suggest a complete re-write. Having two high speed hosting locations would also be cool. It'd be easy to round-robin DNS them to split the load and offer some redundancy.

    While I haven't worked out the details yet, if our other stats guys are interested, I suspect we could do something exceptionally 'cool' and really extensible...
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    Sounds good to me. I'm playing with a rewrite of my db engine right now actually. Real work can get too boring :P

    Magnav0x,

    it's hosted at nocster.net (subsidiary of burst.net) and has fiber connections to verizon, ppl, ctsi among others.

    They are good value, though I've had some packet loss at times.

    Bok

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    I'd be interested in collaborating with bok and yourself on working out some sort of scalable hosting solution between the two servers. I also feel that an arachnid type system for all our statistic databases would be very reasonable. I'd like to help on that front as well, though my lack of experiene with SOAP/XML may damper that effort.

    They are good value, though I've had some packet loss at times.
    They had some big problems not long ago, but that wasn't realy their fault. Seems a vital switch somewhere went down causing everything in the area to be out. I feel sorry for them though, because a lot of people flead nocster after that even though they are a very reliable datacenter.

    My datacenter runs Dual Gigabit Ethernet (1000Mbps) fiber-optic connections to AboveNet and Global Crossing.
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    Bug report: When you create a post the smileys in the box on the left doesn't work
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    Originally posted by pointwood
    Bug report: When you create a post the smileys in the box on the left doesn't work
    They do work for me ... ?

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    25/25Mbit is nearly enough :p pointwood's Avatar
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    Damn that was a fast response time

    I made a forced refresh in my browser (Firefox, what else ) and now they work here too
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    @wirthi and pointwood: I think every bug- or suggestion-message should name their browser and operating system to make bug-finding easier. But the problems should have cleared now

    @Dyyryath: you've got PM about our IE6 vs. Mozilla problem. I think I've got the solution...
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    25/25Mbit is nearly enough :p pointwood's Avatar
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    I know, but I didn't think the issue was browser related and hence wasn't neccesary, but I should probably have added that info anyway

    Unless otherwise stated, I'm always using the latest version of Mozilla Firefox - I'm close to getting crazy just by using IE6 sometimes to check whether something works there
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    I'm using IE6, and it's working just perfect

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    Errr, the site won't open when I use Netscape 3 Gold for MacOS 7.5.3.

    Someone needs to get me a new mac(I don't really, but I think I should have one, just to kick ass at RC5)


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    Dyy, looking good there!

    I can't wait to look at the stats for this new site.

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    This new site looks just great!!
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    Would it be possible to have the forum threads back above the news, the way it was in the old layout? I only ask because I've got this dinky monitor here at home, and I end up scrolling down to catch the threads listing.
    Maybe the mainpage elements could be arranged to suit the user, the way some portals are set up? Or maybe I should just dip into the old beer fund and ante up the cash for a decent monitor?

    My 2 cents worth-- still love the new design

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    Yeah, I can easily make the order of the home page sections 'customizable'. That'll be no problem at all.
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    Somehow, I knew that'd be the answer
    You sir, absolutely ROCK!


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    All Macintosh browers:

    Opera 6.0.3 - The box highlights on front page for Projects, Forums, etc do not show up.

    Mozilla 1.5 - Looks/behaves great. Looks best of all browsers. Box highlights are Orange. All other browsers show white highlight

    Safari 1.1 - The box highlights are larger than the boxes which makes the page jump a bit as your mouse over them. Safari not picking up FreeDC URL icon.

    Camino 0.7 - Looks/behaves great

    Firebird 0.7 - Looks/behaves great. Fastest render.

    iCab 2.9.5 - Looks/behaves great


    You be the shiznit Dyyryath. Thanks.
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    Originally posted by Dyyryath
    Yeah, I can easily make the order of the home page sections 'customizable'. That'll be no problem at all.

    There's a front page other than www.free-dc.org/forum ?


    Who knew???



    (sorry - it all looks good here)

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    Hey . . . uh . . . I must've missed something, but . . .
    the stats button on the project list page doesn't do anything, and . . . [lip begins to quiver] . . . I miss my seti stats! Boo hoo hoo hwah hwah uuhhh . . .

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    using FireFox 0.8 under Windows - none of the link-boxes do anything for me (clicking Forums does nothing, etc.)...

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    Originally posted by pfb
    using FireFox 0.8 under Windows - none of the link-boxes do anything for me (clicking Forums does nothing, etc.)...
    I am currently using FireFox 0.8 under Win2k and all the link boxes work for me except the 'Stats' box.

    Weird.

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    hmmm - doing a bit more clicking...it works if I have no tabs open - any more and it won't work. Clicking 'Chat' in either format (one tab or multiple tabs) crashes FF irrespective.

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    Dyyryyth - You as they say Rock, you Da Man...
    @ new design and layout I didn't even notice the changeover except notice the new logo and colors Me like...
    yeah that collarberation between people doing stats would save 2-3-4... etc people having the same headache and 2-3-4... sets of stats from what is essentially the same stats data... hmm
    This new style is more fun that you can poke a at

    Hmm Bug Spotted - Front Page
    The News Item "Box" width and frame width look to be the same and with a
    small left hand border it causes a scroll bar to appear at bottom.. just a minor bug
    Win 98SE - IE 5.00.2614
    Will check on Opera 6.05 and NS 6 as well but It does look good
    Last edited by gopher_yarrowzoo; 02-16-2004 at 07:26 PM.
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    Originally posted by pfb
    hmmm - doing a bit more clicking...it works if I have no tabs open - any more and it won't work. Clicking 'Chat' in either format (one tab or multiple tabs) crashes FF irrespective.
    I've tried navigating with FF 0.8 with 4 tabs loaded to different website. Free-DC's main page still works ok for me.

    Clicking the 'Chat' brings up another browser and ask for the plugin.

    I cannot replicate the problem that you have pfb. This is indeed very strange.

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    Dyyryth - I've Taken Screenshots to show ya what I mean about the Above problem hope it helps ya
    http://www.yarrowzoo.freeserve.co.uk...out_ie5_00.png < IE 5.00
    http://www.yarrowzoo.freeserve.co.uk...ut_opera_6.png < Opera 6 http://www.yarrowzoo.freeserve.co.uk...ayout_NS_6.png < NS 6.2
    as you can see Opera Renders it perfectly - NS 6 does it too apart from mis align in "login password"
    IE does it fine apart from the "box" error
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    I need a new laptop,but who needs a laptop when you have a phone...
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