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    Thanks. I consider it 'lessons learned'. Yes we ARE the BEST team because we ARE a team!


    to all.... ON!


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    I think the results were sent, the problem is that the stats aren't updating. Don't worry.

    Of course we are the best team....

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    Sorry you may have lost results... as it is the MOST annoying thing in the world as I used to find with FAD, I now always backup my work before sending. Quick copy of results.txt saves the day when the manualsend.bat fails

    I think the others are right though, with that .bin file you may be able to recover some results... Foz may know how.

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    Chuck,

    Send the bin file to Bok. He knows how to upload it.

    Carlos

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    Carlos,
    Will do. I will send the regular .txt to you as we previous arranged.
    I will also drop back from the open/public IP because it interferes with
    my VPN routers.

    i will send my email later ... probably evening your local time. We'll
    get another full day of points as a results !!

    First place, HERE WE COME!


    Bok,
    Unless you pm/email me othersize, I'll send the .bin to Carlos to forward.



    Future note: I will create a little program to put in the manual send .bat file that creates unique filenames and a 'sent results' folder to store them in for safe keeping. It will be transparent in manual send mode (I'll execute it before the 'muon -s' command). Once I have it fail proof, anyone that wants it is welcome to it. Thanks for the idea Meep!


    Thanks to you both in advance.


    back to sleep again. (I'm still not back on normal day schedule... almost).
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    Stats updated:

    Free-DC Mercenaries[Free-DC.org] 2,683,961.9 points.

    2,191,965.8 - Today
    440,675.7 - Yesterday



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    Merlin,
    Thanks for the info, but that is the file I looked for. The send process creates (as I see it) a .bin and a .txt constructed of a unique ID and the User.txt. Somehow, DPAD ftp script thought the file was sent and deleted the .txt. I managed to recover the .bin file intact. The .txt file was not intact and therefore unrecoverable. That is all I have.

    Can the .bin be sent via email to Dr Brooks and converted back / used in conjunction with the results.dat (where there is data), or does someone understand the .bin format? Perhaps he has a 'decoder'?


    Also, If this is just too much fuss for 18 hours of processing, please just say so and I'll drop it. I simply am asking because there has to be more of us who encounter problems and lose data in spite of the fact DPAD is a VERY stable program. It would be nice to have some tools/procedure(s) for us to use when things go bad. The only weakness I see is the FTP process. Perhaps a http 'post' process instead?


    Tnx,
    Chuck
    You can do the same with the bin file, just edit it out with wordpad or another program, then paste it in you existing results file. Or just rename the bin file back to results.txt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    That's pretty close... except 'Free-DC Mercenaries[Free-DC.org]'
    is in there instead. As I said, the .txt is gone, but the .bin version
    (same filename) is gone.

    I guess an email is appropriate at this point to see what to do,
    if anything can be done, otherwise, I'll just let it go.

    I *wanted* to get us over 500,000 points today... but I've let
    you down.

    Oh, well, perhaps tomorrow.

    Night all,
    C.
    Just to clarify, the .txt and the .bin are both gone ? If the .bin is still there, you can upload that instead, that's all I sent yesterday.

    Anyway, no worries, I got us over 500,000 with room to spare, it just didn't update till today

    Bok

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    WOW! 2,683,961.9 points!

    to all Free-DC Mercenaries!

    Let's bring our Free-DC team to 1st place in this project!
    =@=

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bok
    Just to clarify, the .txt and the .bin are both gone ? If the .bin is still there, you can upload that instead, that's all I sent yesterday.

    Anyway, no worries, I got us over 500,000 with room to spare, it just didn't update till today

    Bok

    Thanks Bok for this super dump!
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    Nice work!



    I want to see a 5mill next week

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    Maximizing DPAD performance

    All,
    I have a question regarding DPAD configuration and how it impacts
    the optimal performance.
    I have two types of machines. The type 'A' machine has isolated
    CPU <-> memory busses (dual channel & interleaved) for each CPU
    with global memory as well. The type 'B' machine is also multi-cpu,
    but has global L3 cache and truly 'NUMA' busses to memory where
    each CPU can freely access the entire memory (8GB) independently
    as 2 x dual-channel.

    I refer to the ASUS and the new Tyan motherboards for AMD 940
    pin configurations (ECC memory - all 2-2-2-5, providing 2-3-2-6
    effective performance).

    I currently have DPAD configured for 'auto' thread management for both.
    Is this optimal for these configurations or should I trim them back to
    running single threads per core?

    My AMD-64 machines are configured for auto as well (754 and 939 pin).

    The dual processsor machines typically run 8 threads per processor
    which matches the 4 threads on the single processor machines.

    So, I see '4' threads per core. I've read about running 1 thread for
    each core, on a per-machine basis.

    Final note: I see about 0.2% idle time in '4 thread per core' configuration.
    I attribute this to task switching and memory bus contention. Correct?

    Suggestions for optimum configuration / performance anyone?


    Thanks,
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    If you go single thread, you have to edit the config.txt
    Threads (number or 'auto'): 1
    Then make as many dirs and copies as you plan to run.
    I did this on my dual cores and both procs were pegged nice and proper.
    I didn't benchmark anything, but I think they ran better that way.
    Plus everytime it finishes a wu or stops to send etc. the other ones keep running, so I'm sure it's more effecient that way.
    Plus if one of the threads borks and crashes, the others keep ticking...

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    cool.


    thanks!

    I will try it and also benchmark it. I will report back to the thread.

    C.




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    Overtaking Team Anandtech : 108.26 days= June 22nd =

    and Dutch Power Cows 130.23 days party time

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    Lets start fire up the grill.

    We've got alot of beef to BBQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAURENU2
    Overtaking Team Anandtech : 108.26 days= June 22nd =

    and Dutch Power Cows 130.23 days party time
    We are flying!!!!

    Carlos

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    Wow, we are really flying. Nice to see such nice progress.

    Once we conquer 1st place at DPAD this will be very nice trophy for every Free-DC Merc.

    Edo
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    Another Merc is joining us, please welcome

    lynette.

    Any doubts feel free to contact me or edorajh or chuck or bok or lauren or merlin. Hehe.

    Carlos

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    Edo,

    I'm going to write a full DPAD tutorial on how to join and run DPAD for us. Then can you add it to your first post here in this thread? If you can't Bok can. I will send it to him later on.

    Carlos

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    tutorial

    Download page:

    http://www.stephenbrooks.org/muon1/

    Windows Client:

    http://www.stephenbrooks.org/muon1/v442c.rar
    http://www.stephenbrooks.org/muon1/v442c.zip

    Setup the client:

    1º - Extract the files into a folder
    2º - Create a user.txt file with notepad and add the following line:

    Free-DC Mercenaries[Free-DC.org]

    or download attachment.


    3º - Open config.txt and setup the client options.

    Resolution (XxY or 'auto'): auto
    Priority for background running ([N]ormal, [L]ow, [b]ackground): B
    Threads (number or 'auto'): auto
    Auto-send results ([Y]es, [N]o): N
    Auto-save interval (seconds; 0 for no save): 240
    Rechecks for best-so-far results (min. 5): 5
    Use passive (PASV) mode for FTP transfers: N
    Download sample results file after a number of days (0=don't): 3
    Sample file URL: http://stephenbrooks.org/muon1/samplefiles/{lattice}_100.txt
    FTP command call: ftp -s:script.ftp
    Update lattice files from web every N hours (0=don't): 12
    Use old FTP calling method (as pre-v4.34; can hang, but more compatible with ZoneAlarm): N
    TrialType ratios: Mutate=3;Crossover=3;Interpolate=3;Extrapolate=3;MuSpherical=3;MuOne=3;Extreme=1;LocalGrad=3;TopoSmo oth=2;
    Particles per extra thread (limits threading overhead): 100
    4º - Run the client using muon1_cmdline.bat or muon1_background.exe. First one will run it under a DOS box and the last one hidden, check taskmanager.

    5º - If you have auto-send results off you have to send them manually using manualsend.bat. Don't need to kill muon1_background.exe.
    The results are recorded in a file called results.txt.


    6º - If you get trouble sending the results do not delete those 20060101-442562-fgtht-Free-DC Mercenaries[Free-DC.org].txt files. Rename them to results.txt. The server might be down.

    7º - Stats pages:

    http://www.stephenbrooks.org/muon1/?hide=1&teams=1
    http://stats.free-dc.org/new/teamsta...am=Free-DC.org

    8º - Have fun!



    Bok or IronBits,

    Please add this to Edo's first message. Then you can delete this message. Thank you. Going to sleep.

    Carlos

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    Yea, I can't edit my first message, so I hope Bok will do it.

    Thanks Carlos, nice intro!

    Edo
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    lynette. Welcome to Free-DC Mercenaries!!! We are glad to have you in our fleet.


    Current members of Free-DC Mercenaries are:

    Carlos
    Edo
    Bok
    Chuck
    Merlin
    Lauren
    Lynette
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    Welcome to the fleet Lynette!!!!!

    Before long, you'll be as as the rest of us!!!







    FYI to all. I am departing Thursday PM (Central US time) and will be
    travelling to Pennsylvania. I will return Sunday.

    I will dump my data right before I leave Thursday, then
    send in another dump upon my return Sunday evening
    unless suggested/desired otherwise.

    PS. I benchmarked the machines. The overhead (0.2%) I
    am getting is NOT due to the multi-thread. The cores are
    handling 4 threads each just fine. It's the OS overhead
    of my LAN and filesharing. LOL. It took a long time to
    catch it, but we have the good old LANMAN protocol
    to thank. Thanks to everyone for the input.

    C.




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    Arrow Avatar for Free-DC / Free-DC Mercenaries / et al ???

    What do you all think of an Avatar for us to use on projects that
    reflects Free-DC, tailored for use by us and adaptable for other sub-teams
    as well as Free-DC in general?


    Anyone have a) an opinion b) if sufficient desire, and artistic talents
    to pull it off?


    C.




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    Chuck I think it's an excellent idea. I would love to help but I don't have any artistic skill. 2 year old child graw better than me.

    Anyone else?

    Edo
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    Another Upload

    Gang,
    Just sent off another batch (2100K) to be uploaded.

    Looks like more points in this set, but not certain.
    We'll have to wait and see for certain, but the MPTS
    values are higher than last time.

    C.

    Yes, I said I was going to wait, but what-they-hey....
    Points are points!!!




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    Chuck,

    Got the email. I will upload them on Saturday.

    Carlos

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    Thanks!!!

    To all: It turns out the muon executable keeps loading any unsent
    results into memory and keeps (I think) it in the autosave file... that
    has a big impact on performance. I watched the Page Fault continue
    to increase and the thread count continue to decrease as the file size
    increased.

    I'ld love to figure out how to get absolute maximum points out of this
    apparantly well written program. The balance between threads, results.txt
    records, and 'extra points per thread' is an interesting experiment.

    This little beauty has a wonderfull 'mind of its own'... never running quite
    exactly the same on any two machines. Indeed clever and my compliments to the author.

    C.




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    Chuck,

    I'm in my lunch break so I just checked how much you have on your results txt files. Nothing more than 200840,8 Mpts. My work machine has 35416.5 Mpts and my home machine ~50000Mpts.

    What about writing a linux client?

    Carlos

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    Well, I have 2 machines that seem to hate Boinc. Guess I'll try moving them to DPAD for the Mercenaries

    I may have just gotten one of them going on DPAD we shall see!

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    Thank you JustEmazing! We appreciate your membership at Free-DC Mercs.

    Edo
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    Welcome JustEmazing!

    Quote Originally Posted by meep
    I want to see a 5mill next week
    Me too.

    Carlos

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    Don't forget, Saturday is dump day.

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    Just a quick note. I dumped my results and Chuck ones because I don't know if I will be able to dump them tomorrow.

    20060310-234337 384 results sent to muon1.superstring.org
    20060310-234519 297 results sent to muon1.superstring.org
    20060310-234619 297 results sent to stephenbrooks.org
    20060310-234743 543 results sent to muon.veneration.com.au

    Carlos

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    Dump day.

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    I would have thought we would have more of a dump I U/L about 3400 KB of WU for the merc's on saterday

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    All,
    Just returned from Pennsylvania. New car in hands.

    PC's had shut down due to storms (hail/tornados/etc) through
    this region.

    I will ship my data for posting as soon as the HD's all get done
    with chkdsk & restore.... they took a HARD hit.

    C.

    PS: Brought back another processor w/ 2-2-2-5 RAM &
    a CL 2.5 RAM upgrade for the an existing machine.

    Built a new 754 machine over the weekend as well.

    Have extra 2-2-2-5 ram (Corsair non-ecc) for the 3700+ now.
    That will be online and contributing ASAP.

    This will effectively add 2 FAST processors.. Almost as good as
    dualies or X2's.

    Total CPU cores adding will be 3 (2 @ 2.4, 1 @ 2.8)




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    What is this?????

    Ok all you DPAD experts ,

    I have a noob question.......... AGAIN (LOL)

    What is a 'queue.txt' file and why do I have this at the bottom???

    1.530616,1.483618,1.410641,1.465783 (2014.8 Mpts) [v4.42c] {D4A5FC927B3AE4319B1399D7} <ChicaneLinacB>

    Is it onto something significant? It has been running for MANY hours now and seems to be updating the 'results.txt' file every 5 hours or so.

    C.


    PS: I looked for answers on the web site and found nothing, but did notice that there are *STILL* 2 different spellings of Free-DC Mercenaries. Can we get the name corrected (on the server) and the points moved? May I also ask the Mercenaries to check the spelling of their team name in 'user.txt' ?




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