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    New Stats Unit - jEMs

    Hey guys,

    I'm tinkering with the stats and doing some long over-due updates on the stats unit.

    Quote Originally Posted by DAVE NORRIS, 4 years ago
    "The formula is Cn^3 where it should really be Cn^2 log log n."
    This should fix the inflating score problem, which was only going to get worse over time.

    So don't be alarmed if you start seeing "jEMs" replacing "cEMs" on different stats pages in the next few days.

    I'm probably updating the graphs first, then the text stats, then the stat dump files (if anyone is still using those).

    Cheers,
    Louie

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    yes, I still use the stats files...

    http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=proj&proj=sob

    Let me know if you are going to change the format at all as it'll break my parser...

    Bok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bok View Post
    yes, I still use the stats files...

    http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=proj&proj=sob

    Let me know if you are going to change the format at all as it'll break my parser...

    Bok
    Cool. If you want to use the new unit, just use

    http://www.seventeenorbust.com/stats/textStats2.mhtml (new jEMs)

    instead of

    http://www.seventeenorbust.com/stats/textStats.mhtml (legacy cEMs)


    The new unit will be the only one displayed and used for ranking in the future so you may want to migrate when you get a chance. Really just have to use the new dump file and change references from cEMs to jEMs... but I understand it may be harder if you cache things too.

    Cheers,
    Louie

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    For those of you interested in how these changes effects the aggregate stats:

    (old) cEMs


    (new) jEMs



    Because the formula to compute scoring were off by a pretty significant factor, the change is reflected in previous work being worth slightly more. Or in the case of *WAY* back work, significantly more... like 10x for the first year worth of stats.

    To be honest, I was actually worried that the stats were inflated even more than they were and that the project's true work-rate had collapsed even worse than it has in the past 3-6 months.

    Hopefully the faster, better client and the more fair scoring system will encourage more production in the near future to reverse that mini-trend.

    Oh, and ignore the stats going down to 0 on the far-right. I graphed it out into the future to March 31, 2009.


    Cheers,
    Louie

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    I'm not entirely sure how to handle this.

    I can easily change my parser, but am I right in thinking that most everyone's scores will change fairly significantly depending on when they did the bulk of their crunching ?

    Actually, scratch that, they already have !

    I've now jumped from 1.55P to 2.43P So it's still handling the old file ok.

    Am I right in thinking the team's scores have not been altered yet ?

    I'll change it to the new file in the next few days after the dust settles !

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    OK, I'll bite - what's the "j" stand for?

    And as a relatively new contributor, I think I'm going to get knocked down quite a few notches at the next stats update. I guess that just means I get to pass the top-100 user milestone for a 2nd time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by enderak View Post
    OK, I'll bite - what's the "j" stand for?

    And as a relatively new contributor, I think I'm going to get knocked down quite a few notches at the next stats update. I guess that just means I get to pass the top-100 user milestone for a 2nd time!
    cEMs stood for "corrected Exponentiation+Modulus"

    The j in jEMs is for "jiggered"


    Cheers,
    Louie

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjjL View Post
    Hopefully the faster, better client and the more fair scoring system will encourage more production in the near future to reverse that mini-trend.
    The last couple days of the system-wide graph look promising. Hopefully it will continue to climb!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjjL View Post
    Hey guys,
    ...then the stat dump files (if anyone is still using those).
    /me does.. http://sob.qik.nl
    Now i also have to look for an simple solution to fox those scores.. thanks for the work :P
    Seriously, it's great to see so much activity from you these last couple of months, thumbs up !

    Quote Originally Posted by jjjjL View Post
    Cool. If you want to use the new unit, just use
    http://www.seventeenorbust.com/stats/textStats2.mhtml (new jEMs)
    I was already usning those.. itn't it possible to create a new one like textStats3.mhtml and keep the old one, so I/we can switch over in in a more controlled environment ?
    Last edited by DukeBox; 03-23-2009 at 04:41 PM.

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    I know I wasn't seeing things so I guess the values got passed to the textStats.mhtml accidently (albeit briefly) as they are back to normal now.

    I've just switched to the textStats2.mhtml so we'll see the next update.

    I still think the team values need adjusting as well....

    Bok

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    I like what I see!


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    For people who want to know the difference between the cEMs and jEMs migration: http://sob.qik.nl/index3.php?date=2009-03-24
    The date is pure fictional, it's the stats difference between 2009-03-23 19:30:11 and 2009-03-23 19:45:50 when the change took place.

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    DC-Vault all messed up now

    There are many teams in the DC-Vault wondering what is going on since the last update.
    Does the DC-Vault admins need to change something or are there stats correct?
    Last edited by Razor_FX_II; 03-24-2009 at 05:57 PM.

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    I think the DC-Vault scripts are probably still correct. There was an adjustment in scores across the boards and it looks like it worked out more in favor of some of the teams below you, so I'm afraid your team lost some places.

    It increased the scores for some of the tests done with differing 'n' values. It has worked out more fairly now as per cpu time used for the numbers should be much more accurate. In a nutshell it means scores from way back when are now inflated to be on a par with scores being generated today.

    Luckily it looks like you can move up quite a lot of places quite quickly.

    Hope that helps.

    Bok

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    Thanks Bok.
    This is like Congress changing the rules retro-actively on the T.A.R.P.

    Time to get moving up the charts again.
    Thanks again.
    Last edited by Razor_FX_II; 03-24-2009 at 05:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjjjL View Post
    Wow. I would never have noticed this. Thanks guys.

    It's fixed now.

    The textStats2 should now behave exactly like textStats except for jEMs are cEMs.
    Louie, i think you just broke the stats.. it was working fine until your fix:

    Quote Originally Posted by Alien88 View Post
    Happy turkey day.

    Please look at this:
    http://www.seventeenorbust.com/stats/textStats2.mhtml

    It's the same idea as textStats.mhtml, however, this is grouped per user/team.

    EG:
    User 4044 Bok 1056123856 60 1068 1 29 1.12492637691787e+15 3076534010668.27 1074325317 1164262456
    User 4044 Bok 1056123856 201 432 0 0 43440648500256 0 1056124721 1075231400

    Show's Bok's info broken into each team he's been on.. same order of stats as textStats.mhtml.

    Does this work for you guys?
    Alien88
    Why did you change it and not just created a new one as mentioned before ?
    I'm creating SoB stats since 2003-06-14 but all is f*cked up now.
    http://sob.qik.nl

    Actually the stats (as i publish them on my site) are more accurate since points gathered in other teams are still counted for those teams.. the same as on seventeenorbust website itself.

    For example http://seventeenorbust.com/stats/tea...html?teamID=34 at the end of the page you have ex members, those scores are also added to the team score.
    Last edited by DukeBox; 03-26-2009 at 12:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DukeBox View Post
    Louie, i think you just broke the stats.. it was working fine until your fix:



    Why did you change it and not just created a new one as mentioned before ?
    I'm creating SoB stats since 2003-06-14 but all is f*cked up now.
    http://sob.qik.nl

    Actually the stats (as i publish them on my site) are more accurate since points gathered in other teams are still counted for those teams.. the same as on seventeenorbust website itself.

    For example http://seventeenorbust.com/stats/tea...html?teamID=34 at the end of the page you have ex members, those scores are also added to the team score.

    My bad. I didn't create the textStats originally so there has been a learning curve for me updating them. Also, I misunderstood your original request to "keep the old ones" meaning that you wanted a cEM version and a jEM version. I didn't know the textStats2 was being actively used.

    Can you use textStats3.mhtml instead of textStats2.mhtml? It looks to me like those 2 were nearly identical before I editied textStats2 to make it more like textStats. #3 already uses jEMs now too. Let me know if that works.

    Cheers,
    Louie

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    Tnx it seems to work as it was..

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