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    If NPLB decides to add to the stats all manual work done so far I expect that, although Free-DC has a lot of work done by me and Beyond, Free-DC won't take 1st place by the end of the month.

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    Offline work will not be included in the online stats system.
    It will be imported into the database to make it complete, and to make sure we don't miss anything.

    Offline and Online is like Apples and Oranges.

    There should be a combined offline+online per user totals, with it's own stats tables.

    When it comes to the online Server processing and stats that we have now, it should stay the same.

    Besides, if we were to catch up to their offline totals, the next thing you know they would want to start adding up sieving credits to.

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    I know but they still have more sieve points than Free-DC. Anyway, they are doing something I said more than one year ago. I am always right...lol Back to cleaning my room!

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    Quote Originally Posted by em99010pepe View Post
    If NPLB decides to add to the stats all manual work done so far I expect that, although Free-DC has a lot of work done by me and Beyond, Free-DC won't take 1st place by the end of the month.

    Carlos
    I don't understand Free-DC is due to take 1st in 37 days and we are just getting started
    Why so negative


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    Lauren

    Not all the work that is done on the NPLB project is visible in the stats at the moment.
    The automated work that most are doing on the LLRNET servers is.

    It has been proposed that credit be given for work done manually.
    This is a valid request, work is work after all.

    However the timing of this is well off as Free-DC has a head of steam up and are focused on an overtake in a month or so.

    Not too worry though the additional credit will not be given for quite some time, so we can go ahead and overtake them, build up a lead. and then we wont care if they get a few points added.


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    Personally i think if the project wants to include sieving credit we should support that proposal.
    We have done a fair bit recently

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    I see I guess I did not fully understand em99010pepe post

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    Yeah, as PCZ said. The plan is to not enable the additional manual data in the stats until at least sometime in June, after the PoTM push is long complete and you guys have had time to savor your victory.

    BTW, Free-DC has a lot of manual work under their belt, too: Carlos and Beyond both put in quite a lot in the early days of the project. So, ROLP will by no means be the only team to benefit from inclusion of manual results in the stats.

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    What is this "manual work" ?

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    Reserve ranges manually by asking in the Forum.
    Run the work offline. Send the results to Gary when finished.

    http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=9890

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    1-- Raiders of the Lost Primes -5,495,100 --28,087 -50,070---->> 31.88days
    Outstanding Output Free-DC

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    Machines at home going down now.
    I should be back up this evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronBits View Post
    Reserve ranges manually by asking in the Forum.
    Run the work offline. Send the results to Gary when finished.

    http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=9890


    Can somebody please explain all that in English?
    I thought NPLB was running the llrnet software?
    Can't anyone in the project explain anything clearly about how this works?
    That article is just


    Never mind. I don't know why I even bother to ask.

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    Why don't you ask your questions on the project's forum?
    Most of us get by with doing the online llrnet server stuff that you are already doing.
    If you want to try doing it the manual way, then you should go ask the pros.
    There is no simple answer, and will require reading and studying on your part to learn something new.
    It's not a Boinc project that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IronBits View Post
    Why don't you ask your questions on the project's forum?
    Most of us get by with doing the online llrnet server stuff that you are already doing.
    If you want to try doing it the manual way, then you should go ask the pros.
    There is no simple answer, and will require reading and studying on your part to learn something new.
    It's not a Boinc project that's for sure.
    I have spent ALL EVENING reading on that forum, and I'm more confused than ever, and know less about what the whole thing is about.

    How can they have so many sub-projects that all seem to be doing different things? I mean - aren't they just looking for prime numbers like 1,3,5,7,11,13 but really big ones?

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    Go IB Go
    Boy neck and neck with vaughan
    IronBits Free-DC 844,420
    vaughan AMD Users 844,320
    And IB starts to make his Move
    Go IB Go

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    I have to shutdown 3 computers for a little re-arranging of computers for the summer. I should be all in again in about an hour or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angus View Post
    What is this "manual work" ?
    Quote Originally Posted by IronBits View Post
    Reserve ranges manually by asking in the Forum.
    Run the work offline. Send the results to Gary when finished.

    http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=9890
    Yes, as IB said. It's mainly useful for users on dial-up or with machines that don't have internet access, though before we got LLRnet it was the primary mode of contribution for the project so it adds up to a pretty sizeable total score.

    Edit: Ah, I just now saw your post requesting further clarification on this. (Man, those page cutoffs are rather annoying.) Here's how it works: we have ranges of k and n (the respective variables in the k*2^n-1 mathematical form for our numbers that we test for primality). The project, at this time, covers the entire range of k=300-2000, and n increases as we do more and more work.

    Before the advent of LLRnet, the primary way people distributed tasks like this would be to have a forum post listing available ranges, with files containing the numbers to test (having been pre-screened by a process called "sieving" for candidates that had small factors and could be quickly removed) linked to. Each file would take anywhere from a few days to a couple weeks (depending on how big a range the file contained, and the speed of the user's machine). A user would post in the thread stating that they would like to reserve a certain file, download that file, and run it through a client application (the most commonly used one being LLR). The admins would edit the reservations table to mark that range as reserved by user x.

    When the user was done with their range, they would take the results file produced by LLR, email it to the admins, and post in the forum saying that their range was complete. Rinse, lather, and repeat.

    Once we set up an LLRnet server at NPLB, the manual system became rather outmoded. Still, it is often useful for offline computers and other such situations, so we continue to have manual work available. We integrate this with an LLRnet setup by "reserving" large ranges for the LLRnet servers, and then reporting back in the manual threads when a given range is complete.

    Regarding why we have different "team drives" (subprojects, so to speak) for manual work: each of those team drives is for a different range of k and n. For example, Drive #5 covers k=400-600, n=600K-1M (currently testing at about n=670K). Last year we completed Drive #1, which did k=400-1001, n=333K-600K. Et cetera, et cetera. We generally have different LLRnet servers keyed to particular drives: for example, IB8000 (shorthand for nplb.ironbits.net port 8000) does the 10th Drive (and earlier on covered the now-complete 8th Drive, which the 10th Drive is an extension of). IB5000 does the 6th drive, IB4000 does the 5th, and...well, you get the picture.

    Hope this explains things a bit!

    Max
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    Excellent explanation .
    Because we are still migrating to the new domain for your project, everywhere you see nplb.ironbits.net, can be changed to your new domain of noprimeleftbehind.net.
    The old address will still work so nobody has to run around and change all their client configurations.
    Eventually, nplb.ironbits.net will go away, say in about a few months, so if you are starting up new, use the new domain name.
    If you are stopping and starting clients, and you only have a handle full, you could use the new domain name instead.

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    We did it
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    1 -Raiders of the Lost Primes 5,562,306 -25,865 ---60,122---- 23.88 Days

    >>>>>>>>Go Team Go<<<<<<<<

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    A bit premature Lauren

    we need to keep up the same rate of closure for the next 24 days.

    I hope we can all keep going.

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    I'm back to port 9000 but only for 12 hours a day. I still can't run this for 24/7. Anyway, small candidates in there to test.

    Carlos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzie View Post
    A bit premature Lauren

    I hope we can all keep going.

    I have never been A bit premature ask my wife

    Well I guess I will just have to go to FULL Afterburners if need be
    I could pump out another 10K a day in full Burn.

    This is the last big Push of the 2009 Spring season After this it gets to here

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    It's looking really good so far!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAURENU2 View Post
    Go IB Go
    Boy neck and neck with vaughan
    IronBits Free-DC 844,420
    vaughan AMD Users 844,320
    And IB starts to make his Move
    Go IB Go
    Sorry but I found another Quad to throw at NPLB.

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    It's all good

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    Step aside you 2 a fast mover coming through

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    The Raiders have responded

    we need more power.

    Anyone else up for the scalp hunt this May.

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    Cruncher died.

    A few days ago. no boot- not even a POST beep.

    Shopping for replacement. This E8400 combo was new in October.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angus View Post
    A few days ago. no boot- not even a POST beep.

    Shopping for replacement. This E8400 combo was new in October.
    was it a esc g31T-m MB ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LAURENU2 View Post
    was it a esc g31T-m MB ?
    Intel brand MB DG35EC

    (moved to Hardware forum - no need to clutter this up with my dead PC woes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fozzie View Post
    we need more power.

    Anyone else up for the scalp hunt this May.

    Yes Fozzie is right We Need More Power
    I have been in talks with Home Land Security to funnel a few more gigawatt's here to Chicago to handle my increase in output.
    But I can only do so Much
    Please if you can spare just a Bit of your power to help in this the Last Push of Spring 2009
    Help Make Free-DC Proud

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    PCZ Knock Knock 1,327,429

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    Most of my soldiers have gone AWOL after hearing the noise of the approaching horde.

    I'll have to try and round them up.

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    Free-DC won't even come close to ROLP by the end of the month on pairs processed score! They are 600,000+ behind with 6 days left and only putting out a paultry score of under 1,000 an hour now.

    PCZ said it best. It looks like the soldiers have gone AWOL. Ha ha ha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by gd_barnes View Post
    Free-DC won't even come close to ROLP by the end of the month on pairs processed score! They are 600,000+ behind with 6 days left and only putting out a paultry score of under 1,000 an hour now.

    PCZ said it best. It looks like the soldiers have gone AWOL. Ha ha ha.


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    The demonstration of Free-DC CPU power is taking place in here.

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