Hello,
I'm MrMaD1909 from the DPC. On the 3rd of September there have been a subtraction of 7 mio from my points total. I like too understand what I have done to cause that. I obviously don't like it, but I cannot see what I have done wrong since there haven't been any expired tests for me. I really want to prevent this from happening again...
http://seventeenorbust.com/stats/use...l?userID=10193
Thanks in advance.
It's not clear from the official stats page, this page on FreeDC stats shows the information in the graph (though for some reason not in the table of data)
http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?p...sob&name=10193
I'm afraid I have no idea what's gone on here, hopefully one of the admins will comment
Thx for the reply Matt. That at least ruled out a mistake from the dutch statsengine builders.
So this is not something that frequently goes wrong.
to all the admins out there... I really like to know what happened. I don't wanna screw up again..
Now I am very pissed off. I have asked very gently here what I did that caused my points to get subtracted and I didn't get a decent reply. Impolite, but ok.
And now I get another -4 mio subtracted. WTF ?
I didn't touched my clients (three of them) at all? Can somebody have the decency to look into this?
Thanks in advance. My clients are still running SoB, I just want to understand what the hell I did do wrong.
MrMaD1909,
This question has come up a few times in the past, and usually the answer was that a test you were running was expired before being completed, and therefore the points were subtracted from your total. Did you manually expire any tests recently, or did you stop working on a test in the past month or so?
You did not do anything wrong - points are given as a test is in progress, but are taken away if the test is not done completely. The alternative to this would be to not give any points until a test is totally finished, but this would kind of ruin the daily stats.
I myself had a -4T in work just last week, so you are not alone, but again - I don't believe that it is due to anything you did wrong, nor do I believe that it is due to an error either with SoB or the stats.
Hope this helps.
Thanks for the reply. I understand and fully support the expired tests mechanism. But these particular tests are subtracted. In the above mentioned views of stats builders they show up as subtracted. I closely watch my running tests and make them flush on a regular basis, so I really know that this is different.
Surely there is a reasonable explanation for subtracting tests. I just want to know what that explanation is so I can understand it and keep it in mind.
tests that are eventually double-checked and don't have a matching residue get checked again - if the other two residues matched, and yours didn't, your points for that test would be deducted. in this case, the tests would have been from long time ago.
not saying that that is the case, but it's the other plausible explanation if it wasn't caused by expiry.
Vato, thanks for the reply. I wasn't aware of this. I guess there is no way to determine the age of a test right?
But at least it is an explanation. Thx.
Out of curiosity, how is the points system tabulated? Is there a fixed amount per first-pass completed correctly and a different amount for second-pass? Does it depend on the n tested (the bigger the n, the more the points)? I've wanted to know this for a while now. Personally, I think the number of tests accomplished matters more but I've noticed my work done over the last three days has crashed even though the number of hours of work done hasn't changed much given that most of the time I boot into Windows XP and Prime95 runs automatically at startup.
Ok, So how does this work then?
First on the third of december I gain 5 mio of points (normal output is 1 mio) and the next day 3 mio is subtracted? WTF ?
Again viewable here...
http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?p...sob&name=10193
I only want to understand, to explain. This doesn't give me any confidence at all.
First, I had no idea I could view user stats like that.
Second, when you look at the summary window for prime95, have you ever noticed any errors when work is submitted? Have you ever run through a torture test on your system(s)? I doubt this would explain a retraction in score as it would more likely be null.
Other than that, I do not know enough about how scoring is achieved. My best guess would be that retracting points could happen based on the requirement of a third pass test. For instance, if a given test that you had completed did not match the second pass (or vice versa) but the third pass matches up not with your test but the other test, you may gradually have your score deducted based on the progress of the user computing the third pass rather than in one lump upon completion of the third pass. Almost like a soft letdown rather than a sheriff coming in to take possession of some of your points.
That's my best guess.
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A teammate pointed out that there are no points subtracted. So why do I get minuspoints? This is really, really annoying.
Why is that? +5-3=2, so you did get exactly your normal output.
It probably just was a pasingerror or mistakenly written stats entry, that fixed itself the next day.
I donate CPU time for points. So they are my points. I try to get people to join so I get more points. I like the competition within my team and subteam.
And out of the blue without any influence from me my points go up or down. To me that feels like steeling.
And by not giving a proper answer that feels like a big ..|.. finger up if you ask nicely why or what caused it. So I can understand and take action upon it.
This undermines my trust in this project. There are plenty of projects out there. Why should I stick around here if the people involved care so little about me that they completely ignore me for three months. I find that arrogant. It's my money from the electricity bill going in here. It's my effort.
It pisses me off tbh.
If anyone knew the answer, they would tell you.
If this thread is any indication, this problem only affects you, or you're the only person who has noticed, or you're the only person who has noticed who cares.
Case 1: If it's only you, you must be doing something unusual. Are you transferring work between computers? Working on k*n pairs that weren't assigned to you by the server? Doing something else unusual? If so, stop doing it. If not, we may not be able to figure out what is unique about you in order to help you.
Case 2: If you're the only person who noticed, thank you for bringing this to our attention. When other contributors notice it happening to them, perhaps they, too, will complain. When enough people have reported the same issue, it will be more likely to become a priority for the project admins/client programmers/stat page maintainers.
Case 3: If other people have noticed, but you're the only person who cares this much, then you have two options: care less, or find another project.
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It looks to me like this is more a problem with the Free-DC stats than SoB scoring. Probably something to do with the data fetcher making a mistake on that date.
On balance you were awarded your usual amount of credit for that weeks work so I don't think you're being shortchanged.
I am no admin here, I just speak for myself.
Looking at this picture from the DC-vault stats (the link you posted), your stats is in the black colored curve. Your stats looks smooth, except for one day where it jumps up, but this is corrected back the next day. Overall the curve looks smooth.
So to me, and probably many others, it looks like there were a glitch in the numbers one day, that was corrected the next day. So no points lost for you.
You are not saying that you for the 3rd of December added 5 times more computers and deservedly earned 5.248T in score, are you?
No I did not add computers. I didn't change anything. As stated in my topic start I wanna understand the mechanism that makes the stats jump so I can have confidence again. The latest substraction of points is not the first time it happend. THIS time I had no loss of points. BUT three months ago (at the time of the topic start) I had a significant loss of seven million points. There was no miraculous points adding there. Later it was four million loss and also no points adding. Now three months later and no conclusive answer later what must I think of this project?
Just to support your case, looking at the picture I posted, it looks like Kroberts5 is having a huge subtraction of points the 8th of December. In more detail, http://stats.free-dc.org/stats.php?p...=sob&name=3423
Thx m8. My DPC subteam is ranked top of DPC. In the team we have some old time, long lasting chrunchers. So it's not: "I need an answer or I'll quit your project." With that said. Oeth2k, blackangel & kuldrammer also experienced the same problem within the recent months.
I guess it's really worth the effort to explain this.
I think this is more an error with the stats recording on Free-DC (which is unofficial) rather than the actual results being wrong. Maybe try asking in the stats forum?
http://www.free-dc.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=64
I'd tend to agree where you see blips, though it might actually be an issue with the csv files I parse for SoB stats here at Free-DC.
Unfortunately I don't keep them as I parse them on the fly so I can't look and my logs don't show anything untoward...
Louie would have to chime in to explain the drops though.
Bok
I've had the same problem once, as MrMaD already said. We've asked our Dutch statsbuilder DukeBox (from qik.nl), who told us that he had also found the same raise & drop in point. Reason, unknown. But it is definitely not a FreeDC-bug, it is somewhere at seventeenorbust where it goes wrong.Originally Posted by Matt
joh14vers6 said that a possibility exists that this bug when a multi-cpu configuration is running two tests with the same n. This could have the result that two tests have the same save-file (which is based on only the n), and causes trouble. Any possibility? At this moment, I can only reach 2 out of 3 computers running SoB, and those 2 don't create the problem. I'll check the log monday after new year, but that's the only possible explanation that could be on our side.
For references, Dutch thread at gathering.tweakers.net, Dutch Power Cows base: http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...ssages/1385717 (yes, also started by MrMaD1909)
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And nothing to see in my last log. The problem is not in the external stats and the problem is not at my computer. Other options?
<IMG SRC="http://stats.free-dc.org/charts/usercumulteam.php?proj=sob&name=9735" ALT="Minus">
And again minus 8 Mio for one of our teammembers. Thx SoB!
And again minus 3.5 mio for Oeth2K.
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