sieve stat question

[Death]

266189010400249 | 21181*2^14314148+1
266189632782739 | 28433*2^18282217+1
266190560995831 | 21181*2^16656764+1

just at the morning home siever found this 3 factors.
after submitting them via http://devel.seventeenorbust.com/sieve (only server I see now) it says 2 of 3 new....

what's happend???

UPD. I found it. But don't understand how this happens. This factor was found at this night by home siever...
At the evening I checked sobistrator and there was no new factors..

266.189T 21181 14314148 2.662 Mon 17-May-2004 170439.853

[MikeH]

Due to server migration, the results.txt.bz2 file hasn't been available since 03:00 UK time. As a result, it's not being updated right now.

[Death]

why does this happen?

170.014T 4847 6416463 21873.898 Fri 26-Dec-2003 Wed 26-May-2004 1.700

why score rise after a half a year?

please tell something about scores raising...

[Mystwalker]

Originally posted by Death
why does this happen?

170.014T 4847 6416463 21873.898 Fri 26-Dec-2003 Wed 26-May-2004 1.700

why score rise after a half a year?

please tell something about scores raising...

The "active window" (200,000 bigger than the currently largest assigned test) just moved to a point where it includes the n of your factor, which means that it is now (resp. soon) saving a PRP test. This was necessary to honor the near-time property of P-1 factoring, as a factor for n=19,000,000 isn't valuable right now.

The way factors get scored is described here .

[Nuri]

Death, it's highly likely that you'll be the first one to have a factor that scored 40,000+ within a couple of days. (or it'll be Paperboy - which is less likely -, and you'll be second. It all depends on project PRP progress vs. project sieve progress)

666.306T 33661 6440712 6.663 Thu 04-Mar-2004 86375.741 16.66 DeadJDona will score ~40,950 when the active window (PRP boundary+200,000) reaches 6440712, and your score for that factor will continue to increase (only slightly this time) up until the lower end of the active window (PRP boundary) passes 6440712. Thenafter, it will not increase anymore.

[Death]

Mystwalker, as non native english-speaking person I understand this intuitively. =))
I have no problems with math, but some terms confuse me...

Current 'active' windows: 747958 < n < 947958
2014584 < n < 2024584
6231127 < n < 6431127

170.014T 4847 - k 6416463 - n

so n is in active window now and it saves a full test?

Nuri, that will be fun!

I remember you PM me asking why I choose this range...
That was an intuition!

If this happens I got 100000+ score! Don't beat a MikeH but also not too bad.

[Mystwalker]

Originally posted by Death
Mystwalker, as non native english-speaking person I understand this intuitively. =))
I have no problems with math, but some terms confuse me...

Current 'active' windows: 747958 < n < 947958
2014584 < n < 2024584
6231127 < n < 6431127

170.014T 4847 - k 6416463 - n

so n is in active window now and it saves a full test?

The most important window is the third:
6231127 < n < 6431127

That's the window current tests are handed out. So, when a factor was found for such a k/n pair, it will (soon) save a test (and lateron maybe a double check test...). When you find a factor for a 'n' that already has passed this active window, it has already assigned, so the factor is worth less...

[Death]

i can distinguish one number from anotheê =)))


but why there's three active windows???

[Nuri]

Death,

I think you know about secret and super secret accounts. If not, take a look at here.

Both these accounts are used for double checking previous PRP work. A user who changes his username (at the related SoB client window) to secret does secret work, and the same for supersecret. In other words, it's an anonymus work.

Currently, secret account is set to double check for the remaining k where n is between 2 million and 3 million. The lower end of the second active window shows where the largest secret test is (which is around 2,015,000 at present). So, when a factor you find enters the second active window, this suggests it will save a secret test soon.

The same applies for supersecret and the first active window. supersecret is currently doing double checking work for n up to 800,000 and the leading edge at supersecret is around 750,000.

PS: When supersecret is finished with numbers up to 800,000, it will probably be assigned the tests for n between 800,000 and 2,000,000.

I hope it is all clear now.

If this is not still enough, please search for secret and/or supersecret in the forum using the search button above to get more information on the issue. There is quite a lot of material there.

[Death]

Thanks, Nuri for good explanation.

Yep, I know about secret and supersecret accounts (actually I'm running SoB! client with supersecret account when PC is not sievieng). plain wu's seems soooo long for me. and also I want to eliminate ALL supersecret tests sometime. Not by myself only, but with help of all of SoBers =))

Now it's clear to me about three active windows and three types of accounts.

Actually we already talk about secret andsupersecret accounts but there was another questions about them that you answered me. =))

And also someone (sorry, buddy, don't want to dig forum right now) mention that if supersecret tests finished, there will be some stats and server problems.

So it will be wise to take care about this BEFORE this 747958 < n < 947958 becomes 947958 = n = 947958. =))

and is there any possibility to take some stats or credits for this job to users?
Yeah, I understand that tests distinguished by username, that is "supersecret" for supersecret tests but some IP logging can make some help.
You know, DC is 50% stat's fun and 50% of sciense, so some supesecret statistic can add few dozens of users to supersecret job...

[Death]

Originally posted by Nuri
Death, it's highly likely that you'll be the first one to have a factor that scored 40,000+ within a couple of days. (or it'll be Paperboy - which is less likely -, and you'll be second. It all depends on project PRP progress vs. project sieve progress)

666.306T 33661 6440712 6.663 Thu 04-Mar-2004 86375.741 16.66 DeadJDona will score ~40,950 when the active window (PRP boundary+200,000) reaches 6440712, and your score for that factor will continue to increase (only slightly this time) up until the lower end of the active window (PRP boundary) passes 6440712. Thenafter, it will not increase anymore.

666.306T 33661 6440712 40705.082 Thu 04-Mar-2004 Fri 28-May-2004 6.663 86375.741 16.66



31+ DeadJDona (death) 119474.28+

[Mystwalker]

Originally posted by Death
And also someone (sorry, buddy, don't want to dig forum right now) mention that if supersecret tests finished, there will be some stats and server problems.

So it will be wise to take care about this BEFORE this 747958 < n < 947958 becomes 947958 = n = 947958. =))

This point will be reached for n = 800,000 already. I estimate it takes approx. 2 more weeks to get there...