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    Welcome Back SpeedRaider!

    It's good to have somebody else working on this. You've set a good pace.

    I see you registered with SOB in in 2006 and got going again this month. What did you do in the interim?

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    I've been busy with OGR-28. I threw a few systems on SOB for testing. I quit a long time ago due to client stability issues. It looks like the client still sucks in that regard. My newer systems crash hard if I try to run the client. Also my output doesn't match the work I do. I added a 12 core systems a few days ago and my output dropped. I have some 8 core systems which the client detects as 4 core with HT. Core 2 never had HT. It would be nice of someone with real programming experience would re-write the client.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    I wish I had the problem of running 8 or 12 core machines. Quad cores give 0 problems. The last reliability problems I had were long in the past, trying to run it on win95 machines. Yes, that's been awhile ago. I do notice the client runs way faster on intel than amd.
    For as long as you want to stay, you're welcome. Folks from free-dc got this team into the top 5 years ago, and since I came relatively late, I've been trying to keep up. Much of what I like about this is the client, that with my machines, it's stable.

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    How about the stats reporting? Is it delayed ore averaged somehow? One thing I like about dnetc is the ability to run a proxy and get stats from it. I can track the performance of each machine to make sure it is working properly.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    First turn off HT. Then go to local.txt and update:

    WorkerThreads=4 (change 4 to how many physical cores you have, do not count hyperthreaded cores)
    ThreadsPerTest=1

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    Whoa! with guru on the job, yesterday Free-DC had the top work rate of all teams!

    The stats are updated daily. When you log in, you can look at "current pending tests management" or something, and it will show you progress on every test you have pending, from the last time the client contacted the server. One entry for each test. If the date last reported is today or late yesterday, that means your clients are running. That doesn't easily link back to which computer that test is from, though. For me, I have a batch file I run over the network to copy all the prime.log files to one place, then a text processing program grabs the date/time of the last time that machine's client talked to the server, and shows the computer and the date and time. That's over a windoze network. Back when I was doing seti@home classic, I was all linux, and ssh'd in to each, got the same info, and relayed it back to me (all in scripts). It's not as convenient as it could be, but it was fun to write the batch files and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinhodecarlos View Post
    First turn off HT. Then go to local.txt and update:

    WorkerThreads=4 (change 4 to how many physical cores you have, do not count hyperthreaded cores)
    ThreadsPerTest=1
    The client already compensates for HT and only runs on physical cores.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Last night I shutdown 4 clients systems(2 are very powerful systems for a total of 30 cores) and today my scores went up. I haven't added or removed any systems in over a week. This non linear reporting of work done is preventing me from throwing a huge amount of CPU cycles at SOB.

    Two days ago the stats showed me ~804 T jEMs and a rate of 41 T jEMs/day. Today I am at 1.07 P jEMs. Something is not right with the stats reporting.

    Example:
    At the top of my stats page it reports Numeric Statistics
    Statistic Yesterday
    Work rate 321.92 M jEMs/sec

    Lower down on the page it reports Neighbors: Last Day's Rate
    Username Rate (jEMs/sec)
    SpeedRaider 262.384 M
    Last edited by guru; 02-04-2015 at 02:07 PM.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    I think mprime works differently than the old SOB client. A candidate tested takes at least one week, you will get the credit at the end of the calculations, not intermediate credit as the old client. I could be wrong....

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    My 12 core system completed 5 calculations yesterday but no increase in daily output. If the results were delayed I should have seen an increase.

    Overall I on a scale of 1 to 10(highest) I would give the following ratings.
    Client stability:7
    Client features:9
    Documentation:3
    Stats reporting:2
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Over the past 24 hours I shutdown 28 cores (total of 94.5Ghz) with only a 13% drop in daily production output. That left me running 22 cores (62.5Ghz). The problem is a 60% drop in processing power only resulted in a 13% drop in output. The only thing I can think of is a problem with the configuration files. Can someone share the prime.txt file they use?
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Here's one from a quad core i5, for what that's worth. Don't have any more than quad.

    V24OptionsConverted=1
    SendAllFactorData=1
    StressTester=0
    UsePrimenet=1
    DialUp=0
    V5UserID=spongetim
    AskedAboutMemory=1
    WorkPreference=0
    WGUID_version=2
    Windows95Service=1
    Left=80
    Top=134
    Right=1280
    Bottom=984
    W1=0 0 1182 154 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    W2=0 154 1182 308 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    W3=0 308 1182 462 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    W4=0 462 1182 616 0 -1 -1 -1 -1
    W5=0 616 1182 771 0 -1 -1 -1 -1

    [PrimeNet]
    Debug=1
    ProxyHost=
    MersenneIP=www.seventeenorbust.com

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    Thanks Tim. It looks almost exactly like mine. Thanks pinhodecarlos for the threads mod. I got it to work by putting it into the local.txt as the prime.txt didn't use it. I do have a question about two entries in the local.txt

    12 core 3.47ghz:
    RollingCompleteTime=31747118
    RollingAverage=857

    6 core 3.3Ghz:
    RollingCompleteTime=1570060
    RollingAverage=944

    8 core 3Ghz:
    RollingCompleteTime=625436
    RollingAverage=850

    4 core 2.8Ghz:
    RollingCompleteTime=5535789
    RollingAverage=2149

    Does anyone know if these are related to performance and if so how.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Thanks, that helps explain it. I shutdown all my systems and brought up just the ones I had shutdown two days ago. I found two options that help me run the client on the 8 core (core2) systems properly. Five 8 core systems, one 12 core system and one 6 core system.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    One thing I forgot, only run intel processors with AVX availability so you can take advantage of this instructions. Please don't run core2 processors.

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    That would be great if the client didn't crash so much on AVX systems.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Are your systems stable? Why don't you try to make a torture test with Prime95?

    (dnet is not as demanding as Prime95)

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    Yes, my old i7 2600K has been stable for the past 4 years, running everything I can throw at it. Including dnetc for months on end. I'm a software and hardware engineer. I stress test and repair systems for a living.
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    How do you stress test your machines?

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    Many different ways, some of the software is done in house and confidential. Beyond just normal stressing we test the equipment while operating at different thermal limits.
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    The system normally has the turbo set to 45 and is stable up to 50. I tried stock speeds as well as lower than stock. I suspect it is not detecting the processor properly just like the Core2. Core2 has never had HT yet the client assumes HT if more than 4 threads. The 2600K supports AVX but it may be trying to use more advanced instructions like AVX2. Windows blue screens within 30 seconds no matter what speed the system is set to run. I could do further testing by forcing instructions via client options but the system is currently unplugged. Issues like this is why I give the client reliability such a low score. Dealing with issues like this on one system is ok but try running this on 10 or more systems. I don't have that much spare time. I can run something more stable like dnetc and have time to relax, smoke a cigar, and sip some nice Irish whiskey.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Do you like BOINC? Care to try http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/ ?
    HT on on this project. Set

    lasieve5f - used for huge factorizations, uses up to 1 GB memory: yes

    at
    http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/...subset=project

    You need at least 1.3GB per thread.

    Forgot to add, set this

    Swap space: use at most 90% of total
    Memory: when computer is in use, use at most 90% of total
    Memory: when computer is not in use, use at most 90% of total

    at http://escatter11.fullerton.edu/nfs/...?subset=global.

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    For me I do like some control over the clients. I like command line settings and execution, must have proxy support, and reliable stats for correlating clients to work output.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Ok here is my real frustration with the SOB stats. Yesterday I shutdown most of my clients and the rate for the day was ~1.3 M jEMs/sec in the 7 day graph. Just a few hours ago I fired up the rest of my systems I was running before. Now the rate for yesterday jumped to ~ 2.6 M jEMs/sec. Stats need to be fixed with respect to time. At a specified time and date the amount of work done needs to be static. Only then can you track your performance.
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    I think I've figured out how the graphs work now. I'm not fond of it but I at least can make some sense of it. Time to turn up the heat. 24 AVX cores and 4 AVX2 cores added.
    I'm having fun!!! I'm just not sure if it's net fun or gross fun.

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    Great!

    If you were building a box today, which avx2 cpu would you use? Whatever a guy can afford?

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    It depends on the purpose. Is there a specific application you are running(other than SOB) that needs avx2?
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    Just SOB, the Prime95 client. I sometimes use my boxes for LAN gaming, but seldom. I was curious because I think it would be fun to look at building again. I would guess that going forward more projects would take advantage of the newer instruction sets.

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    Well in that case I think it mostly comes down to cost. However with some instructions the overall processor speed has less of an affect on performance. I'll do some SOB benchmarks on my systems and get back to you. I'll also try dropping the speed on the AVX2 system to see how much it is affected vs AVX only systems.
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    I'd appreciate that, you know more about cpu architecture than I do. *No hurry.* I've seen that intel kicks amd in sob and seti classic, so it would be good to have the latest on what cpu makes most sense.

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    I found PrimeNet has a huge database on CPU's and the client benchmark. The problem is too many misconfiguration systems in the world that will misreport results. I'm going to test a few different architectures and speed then put the results into a spreadsheet. I will try to finish it tonight. I'm curious myself what the results will look like.

    I did a quick search through the database and I would say best bang for the buck is the i5 2500k. It has AVX and the third generation i5 wasn't any faster. The 4th generation has avx2 and FM3 which is faster by maybe 25% but my guess is the cost is ~100% more. Provided you can still find the older 2500k. I'm sure they are allover Craigslist.
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    Luckily, I think, I just added 2 i5 2400s. It'll be good to see what you find.

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    The best option for Prime95 or LLR is using an Intel Core i5 4690K with DDR3 running higher than 2400MHz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinhodecarlos View Post
    The best option for Prime95 or LLR is using an Intel Core i5 4690K with DDR3 running higher than 2400MHz.
    Based on what? Single socket system? I'll put a dual socket E5 2697 V2 against it. Only 2.7Ghz but 24 cores.

    For the cost of the i5 4690K you can build two 2500k systems and get more work done.
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    Thanks for the help and pointing out where I can learn more. I'll investigate the i5 4690k. I'm lazy, maybe refurb units will start showing up soon.

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    "So how do they compare? The Sandy Bridge box would do about 414 PPSE units a day if I don't disturb it. The Haswell box would do 666 units a day, about 61% more!!!"
    "Some Mega data overnight... the Haswell box is doing about 29% more of them in a given time so a smaller gap than for PPSE (where it was 61%). CPU clock normalised, my Haswell is 41% faster on Mega (76% for PPSE)."

    So two 2500K would be 100% faster than one. Given they can be found much cheaper two is better than one.
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    http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i...-Core-i5-2500K

    You make a mistake, you are only considering the investment, you also need to consider the production per watt consumed. Core-i5-4690K is the king for prime search (LLR).

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    Here is some of the benchmark data. Trying to format it in these forums is a PITA! I had to remove parts of the 12 and 24 core benchmarks so it only includes the data for max threads which is all that is really important. The Haswell is really fast at smaller FFT's but once the size starts increasing it's advantage shrinks. This is where the dual socket server CPU's with large cache and more memory channels starts to shine.

    i5-4690K
    6 MB cache
    3.9Ghz x 4 core
    25.6 GB/s memory
    bandwidth
    i7-4770K
    8MB cache
    3.9 Ghz
    25.6GB/s memory bandwidth
    CPU speed: 3255
    Cores: 4
    FFT 1024K 1280K 1536K 1792K 2048K 2560K 3072K 3584K 4096K 5120K 6144K 7168K 8192K
    1 Core 4.1 5.436 6.788 7.978 9.13 11.65 14.085 16.743 19.169 24.32 29.306 34.888 40.191
    2 Cores 2.254 3.06 3.584 4.297 4.975 6.385 7.651 9.158 10.587 13.358 15.888 19.095 21.833
    3 Cores 1.586 2.206 2.728 3.325 3.97 5.076 6.125 7.349 8.495 10.694 12.846 15.381 17.458
    4 Cores 1.234 1.849 2.479 3.125 3.75 4.807 5.859 6.911 8.041 10.098 12.143 14.387 16.367
    i7-2700K
    8MB cache
    3.9 Ghz
    21 GB/s memory bandwidth
    CPU speed: 3492.1
    Cores: 4
    FFT 1024K 1280K 1536K 1792K 2048K 2560K 3072K 3584K 4096K 5120K 6144K 7168K 8192K
    1 Core 5.759 7.37 9.022 10.84 12.175 15.597 19.038 22.661 26.39 33.977 41.178 48.555 56.173
    2 Cores 6.544 8.429 9.554 11.372 13.686 17.32 22.508 27.162 27.815 35.12 42.799 50.112 58.786
    3 Cores 3.028 3.968 4.82 5.834 6.707 8.566 10.326 12.888 14.086 17.801 21.273 25.715 29.768
    4 Cores 2.115 2.877 3.564 4.37 5.132 6.692 7.913 9.573 10.962 13.672 16.459 19.577 22.258
    Xeon X5690 x two sockets
    12 MB cache each / 24MB
    cache total
    3.73 ghz x 12
    32 GB/s memory bandwidth
    CPU speed: 3466.63
    Cores: 12
    FFT 1024K 1280K 1536K 1792K 2048K 2560K 3072K 3584K 4096K 5120K 6144K 7168K 8192K
    12 Cores 2.819 2.639 3.078 3.991 4.255 5.234 6.582 8.883 8.711 10.789 13.658 21.465 20.025
    E5-2697V2 x 2 sockets
    30 MB cache each / 60MB
    cache total
    3.5Ghz x 24 cores
    59.7 GB/s memory
    bandwidth.
    CPU speed: 3055.28
    Cores: 24
    FFT 1024K 1280K 1536K 1792K 2048K 2560K 3072K 3584K 4096K 5120K 6144K 7168K 8192K
    24 Core 1.306 1.645 1.705 1.922 2.166 2.652 3.011 3.637 4.099 5.526 8.395 12.65 16.836
    Last edited by guru; 02-11-2015 at 04:27 PM.
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