Reply With QuoteAgreed. If they get him to 2nd, well he isn't second in my eyes as HE didn't do it..
Fine if you want to do Team_Silverthorne, but otherwise it's just plain pathetic
Bok
Agreed. If they get him to 2nd, well he isn't second in my eyes as HE didn't do it..
Fine if you want to do Team_Silverthorne, but otherwise it's just plain pathetic
Bok
LOL.
This person, Silverthorne needs the whole team to help him get second. How sad is that?
Anyway, no bigge. Nobody will recognize that he took second all by himself. So PCZ, don't fret over this. Its not even worth a mention.
Lets roll with our regular broadcasting.
This from Anandtech's forum:
"Thanks everyone for helping me to reach #2. Now lets just hope that Free-dc does'nt do the same for Condor_fdc."
Of course not. We don't cheat.
Don't let it get to you PCZ, most DCers do the right thing. It's just a few morons who getr into the thing for all the wrong reasons that pull slimy stunts like this.
I think it's neat that his friends want to help him out. It is, however, unfair for an individual to rely on others to position themselves higher in an individual ranking...
However, I wouldn't worry to much about it. This isn't the first time we've seen this. Stats are an awfully large part of why I'm into DC, but for some reason, things like this just don't bother me too much. I know where I stand, and believe me, EVERYONE knows where producers like PCZ stand.
No team as an individual (no matter how well meaning) is going to change that.
"So utterly at variance is destiny with all the little plans of men." - H.G. Wells
I don't care what you all think but I am willing to help Condor.
Carlos
Look, as much as that would be a good gesture I don't approve of a DCer taking credit for someone else's work. It's too much like cheating.
I agree it is pretty pathetic. Everyone knows he didn't get there himself so what kind of victory is that?
If that post count at AT stays at 1 for you Ironbits, it would be a nice Christmas present.
Happy Holidays all
-Sid
What a bunch of hypocrites! You can "borrow" computers from the workplace to make your "farms", but want to say friends working together is wrong.... PULEEEESE
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There is a difference between though. If you are using corporate PC's at least you are doing the work of installing and running the clients yourself..
Bok
I am confident anyone working with Silverthorne has installed the clients themselves...
NEXT ???????
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I don't think you understand what I said.
In a corporate situation, the single individual getting credit for the results has installed and run the clients.
In the current TA situation, that is not the case.
Bok
I really do understand the perspective you are offering, but I just don't agree with it.
You know as well as I do that FreeDC has lots of "mini-teams" in lots of DC projects.
It is my belief that all these sour grapes are utterly hypocritical because I have been able to find ZERO threads in this fourm chastizing your own mini-teams.
-Sid
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What you wont find at Free-DC is someone prepending to be an individual whilst infact having a mini team crunching for them.
If a sub team is formed it is obvious by the name.
Silvercheat is an individual desperate enough to get 2nd place to have his team mates score points for him.
sigh...
There are a few mini-teams around here (in fact only 2 that I know of, but there could be more), but they are clearly stated as teams in their names.
Switch Silverthorne to Team_Silverthorne in that case.
sour grapes? I'm personally not bothered if you get him to #2, I'm more just a stickler for etiquette, which in my view this is breaking. I can voice my opinion, I don't expect you to agree and you have the right not to.
Bok
Bok
Fair enough
I'll take my leave and offer up my best wishes for your holidays and an open invitation to say hello if you happen to pass by the AT neck of the woods.
-Sid
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OK I'm gonna say this once!
Silverthorne didn't ask to be helped, some TeAmMates jumped in to help and I orginized some more without him knowing.
Calling Silverthorne a cheater for recieving help is a load of crap! You guys really are a sour bunch of dc'ers!
Like I said on the AT forums, It's like they say, Jealousy makes you nasty... So I completely understand, not being part of a TeAm like ours can be a b!tch!
Cheers
Last edited by amdxborg; 12-20-2004 at 12:42 PM.
Keep it civil please amdxborg. Point taken that Silverthorne didn't ask for it. I'll hold him/her in regards. [EDIT] well not anymore..
Bok
Let's not get too worked up about this here and start the whole name calling business. This is supposed to be fun, plus a way to help a good cause. People are allowed their own opinions, and have the right to voice them. We don't have to all agree.Originally posted by amdxborg
OK I'm gonna say this once!
Silverthorne didn't ask to be helped, some TeAmMates jumped in to help and I orginized some more withing him knowing.
Calling Silverthorne a cheater for recieving help is a load of crap! You guys really are a sour bunch of dc'ers!
Like I said on the AT forums, It's like they say, Jealousy makes you nasty... So I completely understand, not being part of a TeAm like ours can be a b!tch!
Cheers
That's why we have different teams. To each his own.
Cheers...now get back to having fun!
I don't get the whole "he deserves to be in second place" thing they keep harping on over there.
Last time I checked, there was no entitlement in DC.
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Second place is just a nice term for the first loser any how
I also don't see how someone can "deserve" 2nd place. If they couldn't get it on their own, obviously they didn't deserve it. 3rd isn't bad.
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I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape drive somewhere.
Lifemapper is finishing and as with all DC projects I've seen there is a load of silliness that goes on when the stats whores gnash their teeth over where they think they should be.
The project is done the end point has been reached and the data has been investigated. Great work EVERYONE.
Looking at the posting on the TA site I am sure Condor has the firepower to slam dunk them anyway.
TBH I think he has more interesting things to do over at FAH.
So lets have a beer and chill for the festive season, you know the one goodwill to all men (and women sorry Moogie) even if you don't agree with their actions.
Well this is where I totally lose respect for someone when they have to stoop so low as to start calling names, isn't that what children do? I'm not even deperate enough to get into second place and with enough time I know I could have done it.Originally posted by PCZ
What you wont find at Free-DC is someone prepending to be an individual whilst infact having a mini team crunching for them.
If a sub team is formed it is obvious by the name.
Silvercheat is an individual desperate enough to get 2nd place to have his team mates score points for him.
It also just so happens that all work units prior to Amdxborg's idea were crunched on computers located in my house not on some corporate computers in some office. I actually pay for this electricity, I don't let someone elso pay for it.Originally posted by Bok
There is a difference between though. If you are using corporate PC's at least you are doing the work of installing and running the clients yourself..
It really is rather sad how all of you have reacted and does not say much about you as a team.
TeAm AnandTech
Re-read the thread again. I never said you used corporate crunchers, it was used as an analogy.Originally posted by Silverthorne
It also just so happens that all work units prior to Amdxborg's idea were crunched on computers located in my house not on some corporate computers in some office. I actually pay for this electricity, I don't let someone elso pay for it.
Aren't you practicing what you preach right now ?It really is rather sad how all of you have reacted and does not say much about you as a team. [/B]
I believe the reactions on the TA forums to be a lot more heated than those here....
Bok
I really don't understand FreeDC position.
I always had people helping me at DPAD, D2OL, TSC and SOB. People/friends running DC projects under my nick not under FreeDC_AMD_Team. I don't see the problem there.
Carlos
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I think there is a big difference between having a couple of friends add their cycles to your account if they aren't interested enough in DC to have their own account, or be affiliated with a team, and what is going on over at AnandTech.
They are running a concerted, publicized, coordinated effort to artificially drive up the the personal account of a member that they think somehow deserves to be placed higher in the individual stats than he has earned, thereby cheapening the efforts of those who earned their placements themselves.
If Silverthorne is not that desperate to get 2nd placethen he should ask his teammates to stop contributing to his account.I'm not even deperate enough to get into second place ...
If they were in it for science, it wouldn't make any difference where the numbers were. This is blatant stats manipulation.
mmm - maybe I should move 60 or 70 GHz over to Condor_fdc for the rest of the month..... nah.
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Silverthorne
Do you think you are the only one who has a large home farm.
I too pay for my own computers and the electricity to run them.
Condor had his PC's on other projects and was idle in LM.
Most folks quit crunching LM when LM admin quit and the project died.
The end of the project has just been announced and it is very likely that Condor
would have shifted enough boxes back to LM to hold you off anyway.
And dont assume that the members of Free-DC are all corporate crunchers, lots of us are home pharmers who spend a large amount of our disposable income on this hobby.
PS
em99010pepe
What you dont seem to grasp is that we have a sense of fair play at Free-DC.
Another word for it is Honour
I guess that explains why you are so upset about some competition.
Get over it !!!
If you don't like the idea of Silverthorne moving to 2nd place then put your computers where your mouth is.
and remember
SMILE when you crunch that WU buster
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lol OK can we plz just drop all this cause it's going nowhere. People are getting upset and saing stuff that's not necessary. Lets do what we all do best... CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH!
Thanx and Cheers!
Insidious
I am not jealous of Silverthorne.
He is a home pharmer like myself and had he taken on and beaten Condor with his own resources I would have had respect for him.
By accepting help from his team mates he has dishonoured himself.
IB
Naughty thoughts
From flyted on the anandtech forum
I couldnt agree more.Is all this extra cpu power even going to help anything productive at LM? They had a difficult time enough the way it is processing wu's, and now all this. I'd be glad to join in and support TA and silerthorne, but would like to know that LM hasn't already stopped using our data. Reasonable question?
This is getting ugly:bs:
Evilmoose
I agree enough has been said already.
Anyone fancy a Christmas gauntlet ?
10 days any project.
Originally posted by IronBits
That's not a bad idea PCZ...
Set the client up to cache max WUs, fire up all available boxen and bring the server down.
Maybe we can siphon off all the remaining work
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We could make some ground in FAD
And give Foz a good christmas present while we're at it !!
I couldmAg to get his FAD stats running and I'd pull the data from them into mine (allteams/allusers).
Bok
FAD it is then.
Start a new thread I think this one should be closed.
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