Originally Posted by LAURENU2
Yes, we are saying the same thing. One "user" that represents the efforts of the whole BOINC community. It doesn't represent yoyo's own personal contributions. Everyone knows this, so no big deal. Just look at that "user" like it is a team.
If people are going to go for top-10 and thinks the yoyo user is a problem, why not simply subtract 1 from whatever your rank is? Everyone who's anyone in BOINC(by credits) is going to be aware of the situation with the yoyo user, so top-11 puts you in the top-10 in the minds of everyone who's opinion matters in this.
The problem I have is that if you have a considerable pile of results from the native client, you CAN'T use the boinc wrapper to contribute to that same account.
I don't care a bit for the science of any of these projects. I've made that clear before, and I have no problems repeating it again. There are only a few that are real efforts, most are just playthings for grad students. To me, it's all about competition, and when something like this gets in the way I get ticked off and start ranting. Take it or leave it.
And I'm NOT running any yoyo wrapper projects, never did, and never will. I just think it creates an unfair situation.
Last edited by Angus; 01-13-2010 at 09:53 PM.
To Yoyo it's mostly about the science of the projects, and that's absolutely fine. It's the science that matters first, competition comes second. Negative ranters like you shouldn't bother him (or anyone else) in any way, you no much more than a troll.
Play nice Saenger Angus is not a troll He is a respected member of Free-DC
and just has a different opinion then yours.
That is NOT a reason to throw stones
Just remember we may not think alike but we are all DC'ing Brothers
Come on everybody a group
As it's not the first time I read Angus in this very hostile, mainly ranting, not listening, my-way-or-the-highway style about his personal view of how things should be done, everything else is just utterly wrong, I came to the (for me) well founded conclusion that he is plainly a troll, nobody to take serious. The main problem with him is imho that his bullying attitude is detrimental to new users who may think he's typical for DC.
When I'm right, I'm right, and I'll defend my opinion to the end.
At least I'm not making personal attacks like some.
But, for example, if XYZ team had contributed a bunch running the standalone client, and a bunch running the wrapped client, you cannot see the COMBINED results for that team, because the wrapper stuff is all recorded on the native stats as this mystery "boinc wrapper" team.
If you run the boinc wrapper, than you get your credits on your boinc account and also your boinc team gets the credits. This is what boinc users expects and it should be as expected by boinc users, this was the intention to bring more users to the native projects. Boinc users will see there credits in boincstats.com and formular boinc and other sites for competition.
If credits would be also credited on the native project, then a user and team would get credits twice, which I think is not fair.
And look to the DPAD stats
http://www.stephenbrooks.org/muon1/
1. Team is Team Anandtech
and
1. User is [TA]amd.borg
Yes the boinc wrapper is listed there, but without a rank. Or do you mean there should be a separation line between the boinc wrapper and the 1. user or the amount which was dony via Boinc should be listed else where?
yoyo
A "wrapped" non-boinc project should accumulate the stats on their native stats site, for the native site user and team, using the same accounts as if run outside the wrapper. Report the finished work to the project using the correct user native accounts, and let the projects produce their correct unified stats. Do NOT export stats to BOINC stats consolidators for projects that exist outside of BOINC.
There should be NO BOINC stats generated for those. They are not BOINC projects, and don't need to be considered in any BOINC stats summary.
You have it completely backwards.
Last edited by Angus; 01-14-2010 at 03:18 AM.
They are part of a BOINC project, so they should get BOINC credits.
If they want to maintain their own stats it's up to them to do this, it's not Yoyos problem. WCG somehow managed this, though of course there is the possible problem of double crediting on all-DC stats sites as this here (doesn't apply to WCG, as they don't have a client running outside, just had one in parallel "inside").
Yoyo did some very laudable and good work to get new users to the science of the off-BOINC projects, and he did so with the consent of the admins and scientists of the original project. Science is the main thing of the projects, credits/points/WU-count are a nice add-on. Getting more science done is far more important than getting stats right, but of course stats should be OK nevertheless. And in regard with yoyo@home they are.
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