Originally posted by OberonBob
This is a little off topic, but is there any hope of a new NbeGone client anytime soon, perhaps incorperating some of the recent speed improvment changes that sobsieve has?
Also, can someone point me to a copy of NBeGone for Solaris, as I don't have a copy, and I cannot access Phil's website anymore? I could provide my email if that is needed.
Thanks.Originally posted by Moo_the_cow
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I cannot access Phil's website anymore
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You're not alone, because I can't either.
Honestly, I don't think that Americans, Brits, or Australians, who are part of the mathematical community, should be punished because of one man's exaggerated opinions about political events. This is an excellent example of how prejudice exist even today, despite his comment on his web site that
"not all Americans are pro-war...etc" Well guess what- he also
says "let me know, and I'll unblock you". The problem with this is that nowhere on his website does he provide a e-mail, except the one on the bottom, which he says is for complainers.
I tried to e-mail him once through that e-mail, and I never got a
response (probably because he thinks i'm complaining even before he reads it, but in that e-mail, I didn't complain).
Yeah, I know that you can do whatever you what with your websites, but I do NOT think that what he's currently doing is anything close to ethical.
Moo
P.S. Why should I be talking about this? The war is already over!Originally posted by Mystwalker
Strangely, even I can't access that site. And Germany isn't known for supporting that war, is it?Originally posted by OberonBob
ok, I got my program. I used a public proxy in Canada to access the page. I downloaded all the versions, so if anyone needs a copy, let me know.
Originally posted by philmoore
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Yeah, I know that you can do whatever you what with your websites, but I do NOT think that what he's currently doing is anything close to ethical.
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This seems to me an odd sense of ethics. Someone who has written a program that he once made available for download and free use by anyone currently chooses to not make this program available to people from certain countries because of his view on the war. This is unethical? You sound like you believe he is under some sort of obligation to provide his program to you. Have you tried corresponding to this person via private mail through this forum?
Is it ethical to compel disarmament though U.N. weapons inspections and then, on fabricated charges of alleged non-compliance with inspectors, to invade that country, kill thousands of civilians, tens of thousands of military, (most of whom were once civilians and got drafted) and inflict terror on the population of Iraq just to get rid of another dictator who is no longer useful to us? We Americans talk big on exporting democracy to the rest of the world, but our actual record in the Arab world (and elsewhere) is truly horrifying. The war is over, you say. Until the next war, Syria or Iran or Cuba or North Korea, it really depends on us and our reaction to the fear being spread by those currently in power in Washington. I for one hope that Phil keeps his "No War in Iraq" website up a little longer and encourages us to contemplate that we, the citizens of the U.S., Great Britain, Australia, but also Spain, Netherlands, Italy, Turkey, Denmark, and others listed at:
http://fatphil.org/errors/403.html
as well as all other countries of the world, have a responsibility to demand that our governments act ethically.
Is this really the way to deal with the world's problems?
I really hope that the human species proves in the long run that it can do better than this.Originally posted by Moo_the_cow
I'll make some statements to clear up the possible confusion in my previous message.
First, I have no intention of offending anyone, and i am sorry if I did.
2nd- I neither support or am against the war (which is over)
3rd- What I meant by "I don't think that what he's doing is anything close to ethical" is that, in my opinion, it is unfair for Phil to make his sieve clients unavailable to people in certain countries because of his view on the war. I say this because those people (assuming that they're ordinary civilians) have no or very minimal control over the decisions made by their government.
In other words, everyone should not be prohibited from driving cars if one person uses a car as a murder weapon.
4th- Over 80% of Brits and Austrailians are against the war, so I don't see why they should be punished.
5th - I do not believe that he is under any sort of obligation to make his programs available to me or the general public, but it would be more beneficial to the mathematical community if he did.
6th- It just doesn't make sence for Phil to prohibit some people from viewing his website because of his views on the war. The war (as i've repeatedly said) is already over, so why should he do that? The longer he does this, the more it sounds like "sorry you can't visit my web site because i don't like the fact that the Egyptians enslaved the Hebrews in 1500 B.C."Originally posted by tom ehlert
Please explain the difference between a (BAD) dictator and (GOOD) democrazy, and what's going to be changed in Iraq,now; (except that the control over the oil resources changed)
tomOriginally posted by Xrillo
I don't see the connection between politics and the sieve client. If you guys want to discuss politics do it somewhere else please.