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[pointwood]

Originally posted by brsullivan
Ironbits don't friggin recruit people away from DF just because you are an idiot.

Calm down please!

IronBits isn't recruiting anyone away from DF - he was talking to Guru which have already stated that he stopped because of these problems and furthermore, Guru and IronBits are on the same team...

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by pointwood
IIRC, that stupid notepad editor automatically adds .txt to all files it edits

<Windows tip> Not if you either:

(a) Put the filename in quotes, or

(b) Select "All Files (*.*)" for the file type (or whatever Notepad/Wordpad/your favorite editor calls it) field.

</Windows tip>

Just so some people can get it around this misfeature that seems to exist in most Windows editors.

The funny thing is, it's been 6 months since I've booted Windows on this machine, and I still remember that kind of thing... sometimes I scare myself

And continuing in the theme of "use as many graemlins as possible" (is that what everybody calls them, graemlins, or just the people at LNO's boards?), it's time for a for the people that came up with that idea...

[Terminator]

Just to update from my earlier post - The kit at work failed because of a yet unsolved "issue" with the web proxy in the Smoothwall software firewall package, disabled the web proxy and everything then automatically updated, re-enabled the proxy and the clients were then trying to upload every 10,000 not 5,000, disabled the proxy and back to 5,000 as normal

If anyone is using Smoothwall and is working OK could you let me know the web proxy configuration details you are using.

Thanks

[Brian the Fist]

Terminator: If you can give me some details of your proxy config and send me the proxy.cfg you are using (trades@mshri.on.ca) I can take a look.
Thanks to MilleniumKnight/KWSN, we have fairly complex proxy support for both basic and NTLM authentication, so unless your proxy uses only Kerberos, it should work fine.

[GOLDENBALLSAINTYORK]

Originally posted by bwkaz
<Windows tip> Not if you either:

(a) Put the filename in quotes, or

(people that came up with that idea...

...

The Filename in quotes...?does that include the extension?

i'e..is it 'autoupdate'.cfg ?

Can't use the text editor in Xp to give me anything but a .txt file??

Ta Muchly!!

Oh...and NI!!

[Shaktai]

Originally posted by GOLDENBALLSAINTYORK
...

The Filename in quotes...?does that include the extension?

i'e..is it 'autoupdate'.cfg ?

Can't use the text editor in Xp to give me anything but a .txt file??

Ta Muchly!!

Oh...and NI!!

With Notepad the easiest thing to do is select "Save As" from the file menu, Change file type option from "text" to "all files". It will save it without adding .txt to the file name. And yes that is in XP. I am sure Wordpad has a similar option, but I haven't tried it.

[bwkaz]

Originally posted by GOLDENBALLSAINTYORK
...

The Filename in quotes...?does that include the extension?

i'e..is it 'autoupdate'.cfg ?

Can't use the text editor in Xp to give me anything but a .txt file??

Ta Muchly!!

Oh...and NI!!

Yes, that does include the extension, and it's double quotes (the shifted apostrophe on most keyboards, at least English QWERTY ones). It will look like this:

"autoupdate.cfg"

Or, you could do as Shaktai proposed and just select "all files".

[brsullivan]

Because calling someone an idiot is not "of a highly personal nature which impugn the character and honesty of named individuals," I would hardly call it a personal attack.

Never the less, I was rather annoyed that IronBits first complained that his boxes were not updated and then planted the notion that Guru should join Genome. As a forum Admin I would have hoped Ironbits caught our discussion about vmar23 not updating properly. However, thats perfectly excusable, thats why we are all here, to help one another.

What is not cool though, is assuming that his error was somehow Howard's or DF's fault and then encouraging one of our ranks to join another team. Yes, Pointwood does point out that Guru already said he was leaving, but I would have prefered some words of encouragement to stick with it. And, yes they are on the same team. I don't care if he was his next door neighbor, people browsing this board could be negatively impacted by Ironbits' comments and leave the project.

In essence I felt Ironbits' comments only further added to the negativity of Guru's comment. If Guru is going to quit the project because of his client not updating, don't tell us unless you want help to fix it! Saying that you are throwing in the towel does no one a bit of good. For example, if the rationale was that he didn't like the way the client looked, thats fine Guru can start a thread and we can debate why we like or dislike it. Instead his reasoning for leaving was a bug, one which Howard has fixed for everyone that I know of, with no explanation.

Don't post your grips unless you want help fixing them, and definitely don't throw logs on this fire of ignorance. Frankly this DC project is one I really like, unlike the other ones out there, so losing anyone, on my team or not, is dissapointing.

[Kosh]

The way I read the conversation IronBits did not say anything to the effect that it was Howard's fault. And IMHO it wouldn't be right to ask someone like guru to spend the time to manually update his clients, it would be far better to wait for a while until the update system is a little more refined (it's still not certain that all the bugs have been fixed, otherwise Howard would not have started this thread in the first place).

I don't see the negativity here, in fact guru even offered to donate a computer for the development of another client. Of course it's disappointing to lose someone (especially one of the top producers for your team), but you can't demand that they watch over and update their clients at every protein change.

Just another way of looking at things.

[ColinT]

IB calls me an Idiot all the time. I am honored! I really AM an idiot

Guru and IB are good friends. They go way back. I really don't see what the problem is.

[IronBits]

Thanks kosh, took the words right out of my mouth.

I guess some had not noticed that I've been on the DF project, almost from day one, and still do participate with 7 AMD 1.2 GHz on average, fast computers. That I (as did a few others) brought it to the attention of the Free-DC community and did alot of cheerleading (as did alot of others) to kick it off. I guess some folks also don't know that guru and Dyyryath pack alot of fire power and have hundreds of computers at their disposal, and frankly, I would not want to have to go around to each and every one of them every couple of weeks to make sure they got updated. Both have left for the time being, but they will come back eventually, but in the meantime... they need to put their boxen to good use elsewhere.

I also know the project is still beta, still has bugs. I have spoken with Howard in Email. I then spoke with Dyyryath to help explain what I saw going on in the beginning, (not that I helped much) who then spoke with Howard to help identify some uploading/server load balancing problems that was going on. As some of us know, Dyyryath is great at it, and does it for a living. I also spoke to Howard about moving his Forum over here on the Free-DC.org Server, which is located in the next room, because I felt the other place he was at previously would hinder the cause, thus the project. Dyyryath picked up that ball, created the Forum, as only he can, and Howard setup shop. There were others behind the scenes doing many other things, like ColinT, JTrinkle, and Marc_1, who is the IRC Server admin, and all the other contributors that write articles and FAQs etc. While it is true I have moved 6 of my computers onto another project, quietly, it is also true I missed the version upgrade notice thru all of the ruckus, it is still ALL Relics Fault!
"and now, you know the rest of the story"... 'good day' ...

Now let's get back to Crunching and reporting problems, so Howard can get this project up to level GOLD release sooner, and so we can get some more heavy hitters (those with access to large corporate fleets) and all the other little guys like me, that can add up quickly and is the mainstay of any project, back into the fold.
If you are interested in learning more what goes on around here, you can checkout www.dbestern.com

[Paratima]

Originally posted by ColinT
IB calls me an Idiot all the time. I am honored! I really AM an idiot

All those years of paint-ball fumes...

[IronBits]

Originally posted by ColinT
IB calls me an Idiot all the time. I am honored! I really AM an idiot

You're not getting off the hook that easy. I refuse to throw your home phone number away, one of the best sources of information and technical support. Nope, uh uh, not gonna happen. You're more of an idiot than I am if you think that was gonna work! Nice try tho, Master ColinTATOR!
Now back to on topic conversation I hope -

I applogize to Howard and humble myself before him for forgiveness.

[brsullivan]

Okay, so maybe I overreacted just a wee little bit. And maybe I read more into Ironbits' comments instead of just taking them as friendly banter.

Ironbits, hope your six little babies come back to us one day.

[Terminator]

Originally posted by Brian the Fist
Terminator: If you can give me some details of your proxy config and send me the proxy.cfg you are using (trades@mshri.on.ca) I can take a look.
Thanks to MilleniumKnight/KWSN, we have fairly complex proxy support for both basic and NTLM authentication, so unless your proxy uses only Kerberos, it should work fine.

Thanks for the reply Howard, the firewall doesn't use authenication of any sort. Smoothwall's "Web Proxy" is really the web caching function and the way Smoothwall cache's appears to be causing the problems with the autoupgrade, sorry for any confusion